Sebenza Overrated?

[cziv]

it screws into the opposite pivot pin/screw head, but that's not the bushing. the bushing is specifically designed so that it's nearly the exact same thickness as the blade plus the two washers, that way when the pivot screw is tightened down, there's just enough clearance for the blade to move smoothly but without play. in a system as you've described, without a bushing, like the XM-18/Umnum/Strider folders, you can tighten the pivot down al lof the way and it'll stop the movement of the blade.

Thanks misterjuiceman & Josh K,

I understand now. No more adjustment of those pesky pivots with the Sebenza.

I just got done adjusting and finding a sweet spot on my BM 940 and locking it in with teflon tape so it doesn't move.

With the Sebenza one tightens it snug or whatever and it works perfectly - tighten it a bit more and it still works the same. I'll never forget it now and probably have to buy another Sebby just to check it out.

So I hear the large 21 is going to be discontinued and stuff about Idaho handle stamps?? Not sure about this chit chat. I don't need one now but if they're going bue bye then I should stock up on one really for the safe if no other reason.

 

[giant1]

This picture is not similar enough to the sebenza set up, it's confusing the issue. I would disregard it

 

[Josh K]

Thanks misterjuiceman & Josh K,

I understand now. No more adjustment of those pesky pivots with the Sebenza.

I just got done adjusting and finding a sweet spot on my BM 940 and locking it in with teflon tape so it doesn't move.

With the Sebenza one tightens it snug or whatever and it works perfectly - tighten it a bit more and it still works the same. I'll never forget it now and probably have to buy another Sebby just to check it out.

So I hear the large 21 is going to be discontinued and stuff about Idaho handle stamps?? Not sure about this chit chat. I don't need one now but if they're going bue bye then I should stock up on one really for the safe if no other reason.

They aren't discontinuing anything, but they are adding the Idaho Made stamps to at least the Sebenza's, probably everything else as well.

 

[TheBishop]

This picture is not similar enough to the sebenza set up, it's confusing the issue. I would disregard it

OK, On the overpriced, compare this to a rifle exploded diagram.

Its an individual thing, plain and simple. Niche market.

Hell, take a sig part and compare the parts and tolerance and price.

 

[Josh K]

OK, On the overpriced, compare this to a rifle exploded diagram.

Its an individual thing, plain and simple. Niche market.

Hell, take a sig part and compare the parts and tolerance and price.

Might want to also consider the customer support and the people behind the product if you want to do that.

 

[gulliamo]

I'm sorry but after carrying and edcing both of the knives you mentioned I have the exact opposite experience from what you had since the Grip has a thicker, chubbier, and rounder profile and carries pretty uncomfortably in pocket compared to a Large Sebenza 21 and any of my Spyderco edcers. Also how the heck does the pocket clip dig into your leg when its clipped to your pocket? If you carry it loose in you pocket it still doesnt make sense since its a thin and smaller clip compared to the Grip so I call bs and question your credibility. You're certainly entitled to your opinions but only if they are actually based on truthful experiences.

Disagree? Fine. Call BS on my opinion if you like - that makes you a d-bag. If the OP didn't want a diverse opinion set they wouldn't have asked for it. I've owned both and still own the grip (clip removed). I don't advertise my knife by flaunting the clip on the outside.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Disagree? Fine. Call BS on my opinion if you like - that makes you a d-bag. If the OP didn't want a diverse opinion set they wouldn't have asked for it. I've owned both and still own the grip (clip removed). I don't advertise my knife by flaunting the clip on the outside.

so, lemme get this all straight.

-you don't like to use the clip as intended, as this would constitute flaunting.
-you don't like the sebenza because the clip digs in to your leg.
-you like the griptilian (which is a fine knife) because the clip doesn't dig in to your leg.
-you have removed the clip on the grip.
-you didn't remove the clip from the sebenza, even though it comes with a tool to do so, and it digs in to your leg.
-you didn't try carrying the sebenza so the clip faces away from your leg.

diverse opinions are fine, they just need to make some sort of sense.

 

[cziv]

so, lemme get this all straight.

-you don't like to use the clip as intended, as this would constitute flaunting.
-you don't like the sebenza because the clip digs in to your leg.
-you like the griptilian (which is a fine knife) because the clip doesn't dig in to your leg.
-you have removed the clip on the grip.
-you didn't remove the clip from the sebenza, even though it comes with a tool to do so, and it digs in to your leg.
-you didn't try carrying the sebenza so the clip faces away from your leg.

diverse opinions are fine, they just need to make some sort of sense.

That about sums it up. You're making a lot of "non" sense gulliamo. I supose you never thought of removing the clip on the Sebenza which is a very light EDC, hardly know you're carrying.

 

[Jimbo75]

I'll start by saying I haven't read any of this thread.

I don't own a seb, but have always admired everything about them from the design and sizing, when every small detail(I love small details) is taken into account the sml seb seems like my perfect EDC(except price maybe the only compromise).

Is the Sebenza overrated? I would love to find out! Anyone want to do a pass around in Australia?!?

Have any Aussies had any problems importing the Seb due to not being able to tighten the pivot for customs?(might have to start a new thread somewhere for this one to be answered)

 

[338375]

Well call it over rated if you want but I got my first Sebenza yesterday.. Anyone wanna buy all my other knives?

Don't sell your slip joints if you have any , you will regret it JK

I mentioned in my earlier post, I went to a local shop and gave the Sebenza a close look some time back. While I honestly liked the simplicity, solid feel and look of the knife, it just didn't make bells go off in my head or give me that feeling of "I absolutely have to have this knife"... I guess for the price I was expecting something magical to happen.

Maybe if I had one, and carried and used it for awhile, my opinion would change. A half hour fondling them in a shop may not have been sufficient time to establish a true and valid opinion.

I think the shear number of these that have been sold, and the loyal following they have, speaks volumes for the knife. Do I think they are over priced? Yes... But in all honesty, if they were truly over priced, they wouldn't sell, and they wouldn't hold their value on resale.

I guess if I look at it from another aspect, most repair shops for cars and trucks charge 75-100 dollars an hour for labor. That doesn't include any parts. So if you use those figures, all of the sudden the 300 dollars plus for a Sebenza doesn't seem that outlandish. I don't know what the total time from start to finish is for a Sebenza, but it wouldn't take long for the cost to add up quickly, especially when you figure in the price of materials.

With current CNC capabilities, once the design parameters have been established, its not rocket science to build something with tight tolerances IMO. But we all know, there will always be a chance of something slipping through the cracks. Machines fail, and people make mistakes.

Hype only goes so far. I'm not talking about CRK hyping their knives, they don't. The knives sell themselves. It is nice to see a quality product that is advertised solely on the merits of the product and not some make believe b.s stories about the knife being used by "Operators". It sounds like CRK does have excellent customer service for the times when something is wrong, which is something I respect in a company. It doesn't matter if the object costs 30 dollars or 3,000 dollars. It says a lot about the integrity of the people that own and work for a company.

O.K, I need to stop typing or I'm going to talk myself into trying one

 

[Brennanscott]

Don't sell your slip joints if you have any , you will regret it JK

I mentioned in my earlier post, I went to a local shop and gave the Sebenza a close look some time back. While I honestly liked the simplicity, solid feel and look of the knife, it just didn't make bells go off in my head or give me that feeling of "I absolutely have to have this knife"... I guess for the price I was expecting something magical to happen.

Maybe if I had one, and carried and used it for awhile, my opinion would change. A half hour fondling them in a shop may not have been sufficient time to establish a true and valid opinion.

I think the shear number of these that have been sold, and the loyal following they have, speaks volumes for the knife. Do I think they are over priced? Yes... But in all honesty, if they were truly over priced, they wouldn't sell, and they wouldn't hold their value on resale.

I guess if I look at it from another aspect, most repair shops for cars and trucks charge 75-100 dollars an hour for labor. That doesn't include any parts. So if you use those figures, all of the sudden the 300 dollars plus for a Sebenza doesn't seem that outlandish. I don't know what the total time from start to finish is for a Sebenza, but it wouldn't take long for the cost to add up quickly, especially when you figure in the price of materials.

With current CNC capabilities, once the design parameters have been established, its not rocket science to build something with tight tolerances IMO. But we all know, there will always be a chance of something slipping through the cracks. Machines fail, and people make mistakes.

Hype only goes so far. I'm not talking about CRK hyping their knives, they don't. The knives sell themselves. It is nice to see a quality product that is advertised solely on the merits of the product and not some make believe b.s stories about the knife being used by "Operators". It sounds like CRK does have excellent customer service for the times when something is wrong, which is something I respect in a company. It doesn't matter if the object costs 30 dollars or 3,000 dollars. It says a lot about the integrity of the people that own and work for a company.

O.K, I need to stop typing or I'm going to talk myself into trying one

You are right about the slip joints, I almost did that awhile back. A nice slip joint is always worth more in hand than on the selling/trading block.

 

[gulliamo]

That about sums it up. You're making a lot of "non" sense gulliamo. I supose you never thought of removing the clip on the Sebenza which is a very light EDC, hardly know you're carrying.

Ah, sorry. What I meant to say was: "My Sebenza was perfect in every way!" Can I be one of the cool kids now?

 

[cziv]

Ah, sorry. What I meant to say was: "My Sebenza was perfect in every way!" Can I be one of the cool kids now?

Only if you're indeed a kid. I'm an old fart so I'm a cool guy - or cool old fart whichever you prefer. Not "cool" to call people d-bags kid.

 

[gulliamo]

Only if you're indeed a kid. I'm an old fart so I'm a cool guy - or cool old fart whichever you prefer. Not "cool" to call people d-bags kid.

Yeah, sorry about that. But when I get insulted for providing an opinion, for which I was asked, that is how I frequently respond.

Had the person who responded to my post actually wanted to learn anything about why wrote what I did they might have said something like "Why do you rate the grip clip better than the Sebenza clip when you've removed the one off of your grip anyway?" To which I would have responded "I thought the Sebenza clip was too stiff and the edges were harder." Instead they said "I call BS" indicating they only wanted to argue.

 

[cziv]

Yeah, sorry about that. But when I get insulted for providing an opinion, for which I was asked, that is how I frequently respond.

Had the person who responded to my post actually wanted to learn anything about why wrote what I did they might have said something like "Why do you rate the grip clip better than the Sebenza clip when you've removed the one off of your grip anyway?" To which I would have responded "I thought the Sebenza clip was too stiff and the edges were harder." Instead they said "I call BS" indicating they only wanted to argue.

Actually, after reading the page again. You really weren't out of line with getting po'ed aout that. All I know is I have infractions that won't go away til h*ll freezes over so I try to cool that stuff, but I have the same reactions like you do. :grumpy: It depends on who calls me out and the way they do it.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Yeah, sorry about that. But when I get insulted for providing an opinion, for which I was asked, that is how I frequently respond.

Had the person who responded to my post actually wanted to learn anything about why wrote what I did they might have said something like "Why do you rate the grip clip better than the Sebenza clip when you've removed the one off of your grip anyway?" To which I would have responded "I thought the Sebenza clip was too stiff and the edges were harder." Instead they said "I call BS" indicating they only wanted to argue.

still doesn't make sense.

 

[bld522]

It doesn't make sense to me either. I always carry my folders deep in my pocket so as not to attract attention. If I carry a folder that has a pocket clip, I orient it inside my pocket so that the clip is AWAY from my leg, not TOWARD my leg. (I've never even seen this issue discussed before. I just thought everyone did that.) So unless you're doing the complete opposite or stranger still, you're clipping your folders to the outside of your pocket, the question remains. Why does a Sebenza clip . . . or ANY clip on ANY folder for that matter . . . dig into your leg, gulliamo?

PS: Take it easy on me. I'm just asking a question here. And like cziv, I'm an old fart too.

.

 

[gulliamo]

I've taken to removing the clips on my folders now due to the bad experience with the Sebenza. Would they all irritate me if I left them? I think that's likely and a fair point. The Sebenza was just the first knife I noticed it on.

Truthfully, I'm surprised such a passing comment generated such a response (or any response).

 

[KeithAM]

still doesn't make sense.

I'm scratching my head too. I've got both knives in front of me (Grip & Seb). The clips on both are metal, so the edges of both clips are, for all practical purposes, equally hard. I can't tell any difference in stiffness between the clips.

 

[davz45]

My edc was a Strider forum SnG and then I came across
The USN Sebenza #3 of 7 made.
I'm totally taken bake by the finish of this sebes they
Truely are worth every cent you pay! And yes...I
still carry my Strider!!!!
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