Sebenza slip joint

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The sebenza is regarded by many as the finest locking folder, what do you think is the slip joint equivalent?
 
hmm, you're questions is "the finest slijoint folder"?

Like the sebenza, that depends on what you're looking for. Production or cutsom?
 
In terms of consistent quality, yes, the SAK. I'm looking at one right now. About the only criticism I can make is that the edges of the aluminum liners aren't finished very well.

The main thing that prevents a SAK from being on par with Sebenza is materials. Think about it -- a SAK made to close tolerences with S30V blades and tools, ti liners with PB washers, and exotic wood scales. It would cost much more than a Sebenza to produce something like that.
 
I think Vics are a great value and are finished very well.
BUT, as was said earlier, it's about the materials too.
Can you imagine if a SAK was S30V or even 154CM?
It would be a high price tag, but well worth it. You can convex a
SAK blade and it will out perform just about anything else (except for a Spydie CalyJr), but it will not do it for a very long time before you need to sharpen, steel or strop etc.

Now, for current, existing SJs that are NOT custom, I would have to go with QUEEN D2 SJs. Sure they have some rough edges once in a while, but they are the best quality overall that I have used.
 
DaveH said:
you guys are joking right?
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Nope, not at all. Assuming you are not one of those "gee, if it does not have s30v then I cant even trim my nails without it going dull" types, then perhaps you might understand.

Victorinox, like CRK is nothing if not consistent. Like CRK, the fit and finish of one knife to the next is so steady its almost boring. The Sebenza might have the advantage in high-tech materials and strength, but consistency is a strong point of both.

Nobody is going to argue the point that Victorinox uses a lower grade of steel. Fortunately the knives are so well designed that it just is not much of a factor. Whatever steel they use (440a, 420hc, 12c27 or whatever) works well for these knives. The thin blades and edges on a Victorinox SAK even when losing its edge will still out slice the sharpest s30v thick bladed tac-folder. Would a SAK be even better in s30v? Maybe, but probably not by a great deal, and the cost would be sky high.

Turn your nose up all you want at the SAK, whether it is because you feel that it must be expensive or have the latest wonder steel to be useful, or whatever. Those who actually use them know.
 
Since I'm not a fan of the sebenza, I'd change your question to what is the best production slipjoint? What pattern or do you mean in general? Many would say that some of Queen's higher quality lines would make the grade as the best production slipjoints. Some like Case's Bose line. However, I don't know much about European makers, and the Laquiole is certainly a slipjoint with lots of good makers of that pattern.

SAK just don't have a good enough steel for not only their blades but their tools. In addition, the pivot pins can get loose, especially if you use the screwdrivers hard.
 
I'll have to agree with brownshoe in regards to Queen/Schatt Morgan and Case/Bose.

And I'll vouch for Dave he's not
sak_collector said:
one of those "gee, if it does not have s30v then I cant even trim my nails without it going dull" types
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are ya Dave?

sak_collector said:
Turn your nose up all you want at the SAK, whether it is because you feel that it must be expensive or have the latest wonder steel to be useful, or whatever. Those who actually use them know.
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I think it was the way the question was asked.

shing said:
The sebenza is regarded by many as the finest locking folder, what do you think is the slip joint equivalent?
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When some says finest I don't think Opinel, or SAK, but if someone said best bang for your buck I'd list them both, and I do have both.
 
Thanks Ted.

The original poster said "the finest" and asked for an equivalency. In my definition of "the finest" I would include materials. Also notice they didn't include a price range or custom or production. So one could propose a Bose custom for $600 say.
 
Finest of all time-(pre WW2:() Joseph Rodgers, their stuff is magical.

Finest semi-custom - Cripple Creek.

Finest standard factory- Queen.

Most consistant- Victorinox.

Finest Custom- Don't know, lots of good ones.
 
For users I'd have to say Case Yellow Handle or Amber Bone Large Stockman or Trapper in CV. I've also heard Queens D2 was really good buy don't have one yet.

For a high end slipjoint though I think you gotta go with either Case Selects or Case with exotic handles (mother or pearl, lapis, turquoise, etc.):)

SAKS are consistent in quality but can't hold a candle to a large CV stockman when it comes to real work.
 
How about warranties? What is the warranty on a Sebenza? Life time? How about Queen? I believe Victorinox is lifetime.

I have a Queen D2 slip joint. It's a great nice, probably more solid than a SAK, better steel for sure, but I think the Victorinox SAK's are finished better and more consistent.
 
one knife to consider is the UK Penknife, its a spyderco and not a traditional, or gentleman's knife by any means, it is basically a calypso jr slipjoint (except i think the materials are a bit finer) Just something to consider.
 
Another vote for Victorinox. I'm not talking the muti-tool SAK models. I mean the blade/blades only models like those in the Pioneer series (Solo, Setttler, Apprentice, and Pruner) and the Secretary. They may not have "state of the art" blade steel, but they do have consistant fit, finish, and grinds.

Paul
 
Another vote for the Alox handed sak's like the poineer series. They are a workhorse little knife that will stand up to lots of hard use.
 
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