Sebenza v Griptilian

db said:
The Opinel's lock is not that strong? I don't really agree with that at all. I'd guess it is one of the strongest and most reliable. At the least just as good if not better than both the Sebenza and griptilian locks.
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If there's one thing that Allen and I might agree on, it would probably be strong scepticism with regard to this statement. :D
 
Allen that sounds like the lock didn't fail but the handle did. I'm standing by what I said.
 
If there's one thing that Allen and I might agree on, it would probably be strong scepticism with regard to this statement.
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You got that right!


db,
Actually, the locking collar did spread apart and slide down the handle (and split the handle on one side).

Now let's say that you have a titanium handled Opinel...I think that the collar would have still spread apart and slid down the handle, it just would not have split the handle.
Either way, the lock would fail.
I would say that it's weakness lies in the fact that it's basically just a split-ring with nothing to keep the ends from spreading apart when enough force is applied.

If you have an Opinel, try it for yourself and I think it will give you a clearer meaning of what I'm saying.
They're not very expensive to replace.

Allen.
 
LOL are you trying to get me to break my Opinel? I don't see how your putting spreading force on the ring. However, I'm not testing my knife to destruction either. A TI handle with a ring lock I'd guess would act much different than the wood. I cann't say for sure but I think someone tested one of the Cold Steel ring locks and couldn't get it to fail. I think there is alot more to a lock than howstrong it is. I think how reliable it is is more important.
 
I think there is alot more to a lock than howstrong it is. I think how reliable it is is more important.
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I agree.
And both the frame-lock and the Axis-lock have shown themselves to be very reliable as well as very strong.

I don't see how your putting spreading force on the ring.
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Simple, the blade tang pushes down on the collar when force is applied to the spine of the blade.
The handle is wider than the collar, and so the split collar spreads apart as it is forced downward over the handle.

I will give credit to the Opinel in one regard:
The manner in which my No. 8 failed would probably still protect the user's hand somewhat.
The blade did not simple snap shut like some knives do when they fail--it was actually rather slow and controlled, and I could feel the collar slipping as the blade folded.

Allen.
 
Well, if you think the frame lock is very reliable I guess we have very different views on locks. I respectfully disagree on both ring and frame locks with you but thats ok.
 
I respect you opinions as well, but I'm curious, which frame-locks have you had fail?
 
I personally have only had 1 frame lock fail and a number of linnerlocks fail. They are the same thing in my opinion. Yes the frame lock was not a Sebenza it was a Camillus EDC.
 
allenC said:
The blade did not simple snap shut like some knives do when they fail--it was actually rather slow and controlled, and I could feel the collar slipping as the blade folded.
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It would not be slow and controlled in a dynamic application of force. It would be on your fingers before you knew what happened. I actually popped the collar off an Opinel when I opened it accidently with the lock engaged. It isn't difficult to do which shows you how is it is for the collar to come off the handle and the lock be removed from the knife.

db said:
I cann't say for sure but I think someone tested one of the Cold Steel ring locks and couldn't get it to fail.
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I had one and it is really weak, better than an Opinel, but in the same way it would be more difficult to walk through a cardboard wall than a paper one. You could never do with a Twistmaster what Ritter has done with the RSK.
Integrals and liners are way stronger than rings, though generally not as secure - though they can be very secure if done right in most respects as Joe and Steve have noted.

-Cliff
 
barrabas74 said:
Since you only have 2 posts as of yet I will take it easy on you. WE know that the sebbie is overpriced if your used to 150 dollar or less knives and you can get a Benchmade 635 with titanium and S30v for 125. We know that the grip is a great deal. We know that both will cut fantastic and in comparison S30v and titanium in the sebbie to you may not be worth the extra over plastic and 154 cm and or D2. Both will do the job and both are great knives. I own both and love both. But to me if you want a sebbie you buy a sebbie, its one of those things that "if you have to ask you'll never know".

Easy enough? I owned 5 at one point and have narrowed it to 3. I love the sebbie and you cant get another knife with the same mystique or as much controversy. I hate it when these threads come up because the same things are said but hay the search option doesnt always work. The grip is at one end and the sebbie as at another, its like there's no middle ground, get yourself ready for a sebenza by buying a mini-skirmish or something thats like that then if you think you can upgrade do it. I will take a sebenza over a grip any grip in a hearbeat, I love the knife, use the knife and its tolerances and fit and finish are just amazing. like I said "if you have to ask you'll never know"
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Couldnt have put it better my self. If you dont get it then you DONT GET IT.
is a reliable companion. If you take care of it it will take care of you. IT is ultra reliable.

There is only one sebenza.
 
It's simple, if you have the play money buy the sebenza (you will have no regrets). If you don't have that much play money, buy the Grip (you will have no regrets). Either way you will end up with both down the road.
 
Go with the Benchmade Doug Ritter Mk1::thumbup:
I bought both the large Sebenza and the Benchmade Doug Ritter Mk1. I bought the Sebenza because it was "the Knife to have". :jerkit:
I decided on the Mk1 and ended up sending the Sebenza back. I like a lighter knife that is easier to carry and thus more likely to have with me when I need it. I like the ability to open it with either handed. I felt like the Axis lock was far superior to the mono lock. And the handle of the Sebenza was not comfortable to hold once the blade was extended; the locking bar distorted the handle once it moved behind the blade. I personally feel if you think you NEED the streangth of a heavy, Titanium handle you probable should be considering a lighter fixed blade knife instead and pocket the extra money.
 
Get Griptilian now.

(when you're ready for Sebenza, you don't need to ask)
 
I looked at a Sebenza several weeks ago on my first visit to a knife store in about two decades. I didn't know they were considered to be so super-duper at the time. I was very impressed with it until I asked about the price. I ended up buying a Mini-Griptillian and a Vex that day.

For me, just looking at a Sebebza was helpful - I didn't feel nearly as bad about spending ~$120 on two knives after finding out what one Sebenza goes for...
 
Good grief, there seems to be a lot of kool-aid mustaches around here lately!

There's nothing wrong with a cheaper knife, as long as the materials are good. I mean, I can't personally stand the Axis lock- just me. I've had the sebenza and, as I've said before, while it was nice, it wasn't THAT nice. I got my Buck/Mayo 172 and its a MUCH better fit for me. Yeah, the sebenza was put together nicely and I don't think it could be much better done, but still...

Have a good day, my friend, and let us know what you end up with.
 
you could buy an Benchmade Alias, but it technically inferior to a sebenza. Nothing wrong with that, but you're comparing apples to oranges. Sure you'll pay less, you'll get less to.

Perhaps even better is a buck mayo 172, still not a sebenza but much better then an alias, and cheaper too.
 
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