Sellers Beware of DZLVS8 Steve Kondel

[Gizmoman]

*********************LOVE IT--TAKE THIS ADVICE And STOP ALREADY****************************

You are digging your OWN HOLE DEEPER and deeper
have you any clue how many people WILL NOT DEAL WITH You now,
:thumbup:Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnny..........:thumbup:

 

[craytab]

Regardless of whatever Paypal decides your fate here is already decided. The way you have conducted yourself is shady and not what we expect here.

This right here is sounding very good.

Like I said in my first post in this thread, I already had him on my ignore list before this thread. I don't know why. It usually has something to do with the GB&U.

 

[PURPLEDC]

I bought the knife in like less than a minute and someone else also jumped on it. It was a screaming deal. Other people have even mentioned mentioned in PM's to me that it was a great deal. Obviously once I decided that the satin blade wasn't nice on the knife and I wanted to resell it I'm definitely going to ask more for it becuz it was wanted so quickly online. Just becuz someone buys a knife for a certain price and tries to sell it three weeks later for a high price doesn't mean that they are trying to flip it.

I'm smart. I try to buy everything low and sell high. If you noticed. The k I've only sat at a higher price than what I paid for it, for a couple days (like on or two) then it was put back to the original selling price. Then I tried to sell it to someone locally and they said the knife looked nothing like my pics. Now we are here becuz the knife looks like crap now becuz the oil Chen put on it dried off.

Bottom line, I didn't get what I paid for. Seller lied. I don't have a history of screwing people on here! I've never had a bad sale.

1. Buying low and selling high is the very definition of flipping.

2. your reasons for why the new blade didnt work out are not consistent. You have cited conflicting reasons for why the satin blade did not work. One was over the detent and the other you made it seem like you never actually swapped the blade but decided it didnt look good. Either way your fibbing somewhere here.

3. You are not smart.

4. That (#3) I HAVE noticed.

5. Actually we are here because YOU failed to educate yourself on how materials react to certain elements and environments.

6. If the knife didnt look like it did in your pics you were probably showing pics from before you cleaned the micarta. Either way, if your pics dont match what you were trying to sell that is your fault not anyone elses.

7. We are NOT here because chenn did anything. We are here because of what you did and are doing. YOU.

8. Bottom line, you DID get what you paid for. But this is not TJ maxx or marshalls son. You cant come to the forum and buy up all the good deals and then try and make up reasons for why you should be able to return them because your side business of flipping underpriced items blows up in your face. And even TJ maxx and Marshalls would refuse a return if you tampered with the product.

 

[craytab]

1. Buying low and selling high is the very definition of flipping.

2. your reasons for why the new blade didnt work out are not consistent. You have cited conflicting reasons for why the satin blade did not work. One was over the detent and the other you made it seem like you never actually swapped the blade but decided it didnt look good. Either way your fibbing somewhere here.

3. You are not smart.

4. That (#3) I HAVE noticed.

5. Actually we are here because YOU failed to educate yourself on how materials react to certain elements and environments.

6. If the knife didnt look like it did in your pics you were probably showing pics from before you cleaned the micarta. Either way, if your pics dont match what you were trying to sell that is your fault not anyone elses.

7. We are NOT here because chenn did anything. We are here because of what you did and are doing. YOU.

8. Bottom line, you DID get what you paid for. But this is not TJ maxx or marshalls son. You cant come to the forum and buy up all the good deals and then try and make up reasons for why you should be able to return them because your side business of flipping underpriced items blows up in your face. And even TJ maxx and Marshalls would refuse a return if you tampered with the product.

Also let's not forget changing his withdrawn flipping thread from the knife in question to a BM 710. If he did nothing wrong, why do that? That might be the most guilty thing he has done.

 

[KELAMA]

if i were you....

I would apologize to the seller, and leave it at that, and hope you didnt scare off a lot of people from ever doing business with you.

I sure wont buy from or sell to you at this point.

i gotta tell you, this one takes the cake!! If it was "grossly misrepresented" it took you three weeks to mention it???


Simply appalling

paw

i'm going to have to side with the seller on this one. Hopefully paypal will see through the buyers nonsense.

since you must've missed it the first time

you did get what you paid for, the seller described the knife accurately and honestly. What happened is that you don't seem to understand how micarta reacts and that is what you basing your entire course of action on. If you want to become a knife flipper, then you have along way to go because you are going about it all wrong. You are in fact a liar, you've proven it here a few times already. Regardless of whatever paypal decides your fate here is already decided. The way you have conducted yourself is shady and not what we expect here. By the way, i'd be curious to know what your answer is to rycen's questions, so far you have managed to dodge it twice pretty quickly. So, how about you man up and answer the question?

when you tried to sell the knife, you described it as "like new." when you want a refund, you claim the micarta scales are "only half black and half really worn and dirty." both statements cannot be true. Will you please explain the discrepancy? To me, it looks like you are lying twice. Bottom line, you have exposed yourself as an unethical trader.

i am trying to understand your mind set . It appears that you must be a child . A grown man with respect and dignity for himself and others would never behave this way and would most certainly never try are screw a blade brother . Its guys like you that should be removed from the site altogether . I am not alone in my beliefs . It is your kind that make the exchange a unsafe place for respectable knife buyers and trader to operate without fear of paypal disputes and other immoral behavior.

I am a knife maker . I have lots of ways to make micarta look the way i want on a specific knife or project . If you want the micarta to be more uniform and light light sand it with 80 grit wash it and it will look the lightest shade of green that particular piece will be. If you want it darker goo as fine as you can . If you want it to shine go to the wheel (buffer) with some green chrome .

I don't know what your future is going to be like here after this. Most likely not favorable . It would be wise to man up drop you claim and put the knife on ebay with a accurate description. Or just keep it and use it. Whatever you do don't try and bone one of my friends or acquaintances on the forum .

man. Can't even stay consistent in the same post (see bold wording above). To the rest of us, what is happening here is pretty darn obvious. Give it up, dude. You're in the wrong here and just making yourself look worse with each post.

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[chenn]

I will update this thread with paypals decision. Then hopefully we can put this thread to rest.

 

[dzlvs8]

Omg. This is a lot to respond to. Don't really care to either. I jmhad no intentions of buying low and selling high. I bought a new blade for it. The detent was too hard to drill to make it perfect but I still didn't like the silver blade on the knife enough to justify not having that perfect emerson detent that I like. And so three weeks later i decided to resell it and I thought it was worth more than I paid for it. That's not flipping it and if you think it is, who cares. Its not like my intentions on here are to flip knives. That's not my track record. My track record is selling and buying knives with a perfect record. chenn...not so much. I get into it a bit in PMS with mods about making mistakes about the posting rules vs bumping rules but I don't have shady swelling practices.
#5 I'm a knife maker. I know how materials react. the material is super worn. I didn't pay for a knife with a half worn micarta scale.

What kind of evil thing would I be doing by making a thread say that I was selling a benchmsde 710 vs the cqc7. There's seriously nothing to gain from that. I told chenn I tried selling the knife to someone in my first message to him complaining about the knife. I don't know what the problem is. You can care. I don't. That's weird.

I got a garbage knife and the problems with the knife were hidden in the pics and from me until the oil dries out. You shouldn't support that guy.

Look at the pic of the knife and the description of the knife, then look at what the knife like like now in the video I took. That's why I'm filling with PayPal. I'm not a bad guy for any of that. You may not feel the same but your speculation on what I'm doing with the knife is crazy. I'm not gonna waste my time telling you guys again. Keeps speculating stupid stuff about flipping knives. Andrew Chenn is a big liar and has super shady selling practiced. I've NEVER done anything like that. I'm all good. You guys need to find something better to do. I've never ripped anyone off. If you don't like that I've filled against him with PayPal than that fine but theres nothing else to discuss and I have better things to do than go in circles about it.

I feel that chenn is a liar and ripped me off so I'm filling. :/

 

[1SHOT1KILL]

#5 I'm a knife maker. :/

Scariest thing I've read so far...

 

[LabMonkey]

I've read this whole thread and am not going to comment on the integrity, ethics, etc. of the buyer or seller. I like practical solutions, and I present one here.

If the initial sale price was indeed a great deal, or even a fair deal for the buyer (assuming there was nothing wrong with the knife) then he could have, and even still can, sell it and not lose any money. We have heard from many BF members, some that are even knife makers, that there is nothing wrong with with the micarta on this knife (this is the only perceived problem with the knife, no?) It sounds like it would be very easy to clean up, and there is nothing unethical about doing that. It's clear the buyer did not realize this initially, but now that he has been educated (just as I have) about the nature of micarta handles, accept it and move on gracefully. If you don't believe the info the members have provided, do a little research to verify it. Once you realize it is normal behavior for micarta, this whole dispute is baseless. Wouldn't this have been easier than a Paypal claim?

Why let our egos get in the way of doing what's in our best interests?

 

[Foghorn Leghorn Fan]

Still can't answer this, can you?

Can you tell me in one sentence what the seller did that was dishonest?

 

[craytab]

I jmhad no intentions of buying low and selling high.

But that is exactly what you did.

I bought a new blade for it. The detent was too hard to drill to make it perfect but I still didn't like the silver blade on the knife enough to justify not having that perfect emerson detent that I like.

You took it apart. It is now yours. This is standard procedure.

And so three weeks later i decided to resell it

That is far too long to have a knife and then try to return it, especially after you have dismantled it.

I didn't pay for a knife with a half worn micarta scale.

Yes you did. It is called a "used" knife for a reason.

What kind of evil thing would I be doing by making a thread say that I was selling a benchmsde 710 vs the cqc7. There's seriously nothing to gain from that. I told chenn I tried selling the knife to someone in my first message to him complaining about the knife. I don't know what the problem is. You can care. I don't. That's weird.

So did you not change the thread to say the BM 710 is not available?

I got a garbage knife and the problems with the knife were hidden in the pics and from me until the oil dries out. You shouldn't support that guy.

Look at the pic of the knife and the description of the knife, then look at what the knife like like now in the video I took. That's why I'm filling with PayPal. I'm not a bad guy for any of that. You may not feel the same but your speculation on what I'm doing with the knife is crazy. I'm not gonna waste my time telling you guys again. Keeps speculating stupid stuff about flipping knives. Andrew Chenn is a big liar and has super shady selling practiced. I've NEVER done anything like that. I'm all good. You guys need to find something better to do. I've never ripped anyone off. If you don't like that I've filled against him with PayPal than that fine but theres nothing else to discuss and I have better things to do than go in circles about it.

I feel that chenn is a liar and ripped me off so I'm filling. :/

You are a liar and not a good one. You should be banned no matter the outcome from paypal. No one who sees this thread will ever do business with you.

 

[craytab]

I've read this whole thread and am not going to comment on the integrity, ethics, etc. of the buyer or seller. I like practical solutions, and I present one here.

If the initial sale price was indeed a great deal, or even a fair deal for the buyer (assuming there was nothing wrong with the knife) then he could have, and even still can, sell it and not lose any money. We have heard from many BF members, some that are even knife makers, that there is nothing wrong with with the micarta on this knife (this is the only perceived problem with the knife, no?) It sounds like it would be very easy to clean up, and there is nothing unethical about doing that. It's clear the buyer did not realize this initially, but now that he has been educated (just as I have) about the nature of micarta handles, accept it and move on gracefully. If you don't believe the info the members have provided, do a little research to verify it. Once you realize it is normal behavior for micarta, this whole dispute is baseless. Wouldn't this have been easier than a Paypal claim?

Why let our egos get in the way of doing what's in our best interests?

Not one bit of anything said by you or anyone else in this thread matters.

He took the knife apart. Once that happens the deal is done. That is how this place works.

 

[ncrockclimb]

...You are liar and not a good one. You should be banned no matter the outcome from paypal...

I agree with craytab 100%.

I almost feel like I am piling on here, but the posts by dzlvs8 are so outrageous and his attitude so detestable that he deserves to be called out by all that read his posts. dzlvs8 personifies many of the negative behaviors that make the exchange a risky place to do business, and as such he most definitely deserves to be shown the door.

 

[bhyde]

Not caring what the community sees as a problem is probably a bigger problem for this community in the future.

Presenting yourself this way and then calling yourself a "knifemaker" is also disturbing to say the least.

 

[PURPLEDC]

Also let's not forget changing his withdrawn flipping thread from the knife in question to a BM 710. If he did nothing wrong, why do that? That might be the most guilty thing he has done.

Oh no man dont you remember? That was an honest mistake where he copied and pasted........... Yeah I didnt believe it the first time he said it either.

 

[Gizmoman]

Steve--
I WOULD HIGHLY suggest you keep you comments to yourself,,

Your Ego and Deception and AUDACITY Amazes me...

I here the IGNORE LIST just a clicking away..
Your attitude just PROVES your immaturity..
Not owning up proves you are NO MAN ..Nor an adult...
I certainly do HOPE the Moderators step in and BAN YOU..
It is so well deserved..
Making a great deal of friends here since this began... A Sinking ship so too speak....:thumbdn:
OH while sticking your foot in your mouth..
You know buddy.."""STOP DIGGING"" Your hole is getting bigger and bigger..
OMG.. I cannot believe you keep responding too this....???

The biggest and most ignorant-audacious thing you did..WAS have the knife..for weeks..ALTER the knife and then TRY To cover your tracks and make the buyer accountable for you screwing yourself....WOW.........And have the B@!@# to file a claim against Chenn...another HUGE WOW........

 

[PURPLEDC]

Hey chenn, if you do unjustly get stuck with the emerson send it to me and i will refinish the entire knife free of charge. I may not be a knifemaker but if a knifemaker cant refinish micarta I will stick with my pimper title.

Omg. This is a lot to respond to. Don't really care to either. I jmhad no intentions of buying low and selling high. I bought a new blade for it. The detent was too hard to drill to make it perfect but I still didn't like the silver blade on the knife enough to justify not having that perfect emerson detent that I like. And so three weeks later i decided to resell it and I thought it was worth more than I paid for it. That's not flipping it and if you think it is, who cares. Its not like my intentions on here are to flip knives. That's not my track record. My track record is selling and buying knives with a perfect record. chenn...not so much. I get into it a bit in PMS with mods about making mistakes about the posting rules vs bumping rules but I don't have shady swelling practices.
#5 I'm a knife maker. I know how materials react. the material is super worn. I didn't pay for a knife with a half worn micarta scale.

What kind of evil thing would I be doing by making a thread say that I was selling a benchmsde 710 vs the cqc7. There's seriously nothing to gain from that. I told chenn I tried selling the knife to someone in my first message to him complaining about the knife. I don't know what the problem is. You can care. I don't. That's weird.

I got a garbage knife and the problems with the knife were hidden in the pics and from me until the oil dries out. You shouldn't support that guy.

Look at the pic of the knife and the description of the knife, then look at what the knife like like now in the video I took. That's why I'm filling with PayPal. I'm not a bad guy for any of that. You may not feel the same but your speculation on what I'm doing with the knife is crazy. I'm not gonna waste my time telling you guys again. Keeps speculating stupid stuff about flipping knives. Andrew Chenn is a big liar and has super shady selling practiced. I've NEVER done anything like that. I'm all good. You guys need to find something better to do. I've never ripped anyone off. If you don't like that I've filled against him with PayPal than that fine but theres nothing else to discuss and I have better things to do than go in circles about it.

I feel that chenn is a liar and ripped me off so I'm filling. :/

Dude you are diluted. And there is so much dishonesty in your posts how do you expect anyone to believe anything you say? And aeriously any knife maker worth his salt and knows micarta like you claim would have seen the abnormally dark micarta and cleaned it the day he got it and complained that instant. With all your actions so far i think YOU did any and all so called damages yet are looking for any and every reason to not be responsible. And really you are a knifemaker and failed to successfully drill a detent? Which by the way if you are a real knifemaker you do realize that half worn micarta would literally be half as thick as when it started right? And if you were a knife maker you could use some elbow grease and refinish the Micarta. You are so full of it i bet you have brown eyes.

What do you have to gain by changing you thread to say selling the 710? How about trying to cover up the fact you had installed a different blade in the knife and that you all ready tried selling it as such. Would you go buy a used camaro swap the engine, try and sell it and then ask who you bought it from to take it back three weeks later because the tires got dull? You have been doing nothing but lie in this thread multiple times. also three weeks on a countertrop doing nothing? BS. I would bet money what happened is it was perfectly fine while waiting for the blade. And when you disassembled it to do the blade swap you did what anyone would and should do and you started cleaning parts before rebuilding. But you didnt expect whatever you used on the handles to effect the micarta. But if you were a knifemaker you would have known before hand. In fact if you knew about micarta you would have questioned its dark appearance in the first place.

 

[BBKoenigsegg]

Not one bit of anything said by you or anyone else in this thread matters.

He took the knife apart. Once that happens the deal is done. That is how this place works.

+1 for this post.

First time I've agreed with craytab, too! I might get off of his ignore list sometime in the near future...

 

[RIPtastic]

Like I said, guys delusional. Buddy not 1 person thinks your in the right. You are wrong, everyone knows it. This is pathetic.

 

[SidTheMuss]

I personally think there is enough of a difference between the for sale pics and the video to warrant a return, but i also think he should have returned it right away if it was that big an issue. I also feel the OP should have waited for the paypal decision before starting this thread. No ones been ripped off, nobody got scammed, just a deal gone sideways. Both the OP and the buyer are people I would not do business with.