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alex.neves

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I know that most of you have a lot of expertise in firearms, so I would like to have some help. I always wanted a semi-auto rifle, AR Style, in .223 / .308, but living in Brazil, and following the rules, it is impossible, because our draconian laws don’t allow semi-auto guns in these calibers.

But we are allowed to have a semi-auto in 12ga (doesn’t make sense, I know :confused:). I already have some pump action shotguns, and I had a chance to fire a Benelli semi-auto. I liked the Benelli, very much. My main goal is to have fun time shooting, while the Benelli is a good and reliable , I preffer a detachable magazine with more rounds instead of the tubular, so it seems that the custom Saigas are the only way to go.

I need to find someone who does it, and also have the export permit to sell to Brazil. I know that Red Jacket Firearms have experience with this king of shotgun, I sent an e-mail several weeks ago, and I’m still waiting for an answer.

Any ideas about other sellers, or considerations about the gun?



Cheers



Alex
 
FN SLP +1

I prefer the 18" version.

FN Herstal 7 Round Self Loading Police 12 Ga w/18" Barrel The SLP represent the ultimate in shotgun performance for personal defense. All SLP models offer 3" chambers and extended magazine tubes. The SLP model features an 18" barrel, a MIL-STD 1913 top rail with adjustable ghost ring rear sight and a high-profile protected front sight. The FN Self-Loading Police Shotgun (SLP) is a very compact, fast-cycling semi-automatic shotgun with a more traditional stock design. The 18" barrel and 6-shot magazine make it ideal for stowing in vehicles, boats and aircraft, for home security and for operations in close quarters by law enforcement.
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^^^ what they said!

I tried the Saiga thing, but the novelty wore off quick after having issues with it. I sold it off, bought an SLP, and never looked back.

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alex.neves said:
Red Jacket Firearms have experience with this king of shotgun, I sent an e-mail several weeks ago, and I’m still waiting for an answer.
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They deal with firearms? I just thought they were developed by the Discovery Channel to make a god aweful TV series :confused:

Magazines are cool, yeah, but the Benelli M4 is hard to beat.
 
Benelli M1 or M4 and for one that is auto and pump both get an M3
My M1 holds 9 and fires 5 rounds a second
 
Saiga 12 FTW! Mine works fine. Do they work flawlessly out of the box like my 870p, no but they are a hell of alot of fun. Any firearm can be given the mall ninja treatment. The slp is nice but if you want to have some fun a 20 round drum is hard to beat. Just my opinion.

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I'm a Benelli M4 kind of guy myself, even though I traded mine off for some INFI.

Plan on picking up another soon though.
 
For something a little less pricey, you could consider a Remington 11-87. I have a parkerized deer model, and I like it a lot. It is on the heavy side--makes it more of a pain to lug around and to handle, but on the upside, the gun is great at absorbing recoil. Also, it is a very longstanding, popular model, so parts and accessories are easy to come by.
 
If the saiga is set up right its a very dependable fun gun to shoot. I've run around 3000 rounds through mine with no failures and run it hard too. Good magazines and the right gas set up with the right ammo is the way to make it dependable.
 
If you can find one, the Winchester SX2 (Super X2) is the same gun as an FN SLP (when FN bought all of winchester's ish)
 
I really like my Saiga 12. I have no issues with mine. You can get 12 round magazines or 25 round drums, just awesome.

Also, the Mossberg 930 is a nice semi auto shotgun, they offer it in a few configurations from about $350 - $650. 5 or 7 round capacity.
 
I think you need to go for what you initially think is best ... then when you realise that the weight of the mag feed shotguns with hi capacity snail mags is a bugger and is like being stuck with the GPMG and handles like one .... so that you're only aiming from the hip ... Rambo style ... because they are too heavy to mount .... or "not aiming" to give the right explanation of why hitting targets is'nt easy ... then realising that your budget is hard pressed to cater for "supressive fire " which is what they are good for ... and that the 10 round mags are the only way to mount the weapon for a first shot hit ... but even then feeling they are cumbersome and heavy compared to other options ... particularly if you want to carry them without a sling assist ...

Then you can alter your choice from first hand knowledge and reconsider options such as a Bennelli M1 Super 90 Combat ... recoil operated ... no gas ports to foul up ... no reliability issues ... can be easily carried because they are so light ... and point and shoot instinctively if you pick the right stock ... can be topped up in a useful manner without losing the ability to fire and engage multiple targets whilst doing so ... and generally enable first round hits ...

The M1 can be improved by changing out a few bits from the M4 ... but the gas operated M4 is not the same legend as the M1 ... why the Marines wanted a gas operated shotgun when they are the most likely weapon to suffer from "fouling" is a bit of a head scratcher from a "reliability" point ... the M1 was commissioned by the German GSG9 Counter Terrorism Unit specifically for this reason. The GSG9 "record" on devloping good weapons is pretty impressive ... they were the unit that also requested the H&K MP5 ... both weapons being used by just about everyone now ... so for me the M1 is a definate win over the M4 or the similar FN ... and way ahead of the Saiga ... the Saiga feels like someone really messed up a good AK47 by giving it steroids ... it is'nt a natural extension of the AK's to turn them into shotguns ...
 
The Super Black Eagle Benelli is the best sport auto I have ever shot. It will kill most any game as it shoots 2 3/4, 3, and 3.5 in shells. Not sure what ammo you can get but versatility is a good thang

If you're a cop you might need a shorter barrel.

Don't get caught up in the tactical marketing unless you really need it. Get a dog to give you an extra second to get that longer barrel in position and save your money. You might not look as cool but you will be
 
Well... I was going to say that I had just spoke with another member here this past weekend who is very happy with is Saiga 20ga .... and then I read the voice of Peter's vast real-world experience ... so I'll just sit back now.
 
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