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Semiauto Shotgun

Discussion in 'Busse Combat Knives' started by alex.neves, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. alex.neves


    Aug 4, 2011
    I know that most of you have a lot of expertise in firearms, so I would like to have some help. I always wanted a semi-auto rifle, AR Style, in .223 / .308, but living in Brazil, and following the rules, it is impossible, because our draconian laws don’t allow semi-auto guns in these calibers.

    But we are allowed to have a semi-auto in 12ga (doesn’t make sense, I know :confused:). I already have some pump action shotguns, and I had a chance to fire a Benelli semi-auto. I liked the Benelli, very much. My main goal is to have fun time shooting, while the Benelli is a good and reliable , I preffer a detachable magazine with more rounds instead of the tubular, so it seems that the custom Saigas are the only way to go.

    I need to find someone who does it, and also have the export permit to sell to Brazil. I know that Red Jacket Firearms have experience with this king of shotgun, I sent an e-mail several weeks ago, and I’m still waiting for an answer.

    Any ideas about other sellers, or considerations about the gun?


  2. JH-slice


    Jul 31, 2009
    benelli m4 or FN slp.... friends dont let friends be mall ninjas
  3. BePrepared


    Aug 26, 2010

    ^ what he said...

    avoid the whole saiga thing...
  4. VoxHog

    VoxHog Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 6, 2007
    FN SLP +1

    I prefer the 18" version.

  5. blt-2-drg


    Feb 6, 2012
    ^^^ what they said!

    I tried the Saiga thing, but the novelty wore off quick after having issues with it. I sold it off, bought an SLP, and never looked back.

  6. M67

    M67 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 17, 2010
    They deal with firearms? I just thought they were developed by the Discovery Channel to make a god aweful TV series :confused:

    Magazines are cool, yeah, but the Benelli M4 is hard to beat.
  7. 1whobuys


    Mar 20, 2001
    Benelli M1 or M4 and for one that is auto and pump both get an M3
    My M1 holds 9 and fires 5 rounds a second
  8. Robocarullo


    Aug 20, 2006
    Saiga 12 FTW! Mine works fine. Do they work flawlessly out of the box like my 870p, no but they are a hell of alot of fun. Any firearm can be given the mall ninja treatment. The slp is nice but if you want to have some fun a 20 round drum is hard to beat. Just my opinion.

    Last edited: Jun 27, 2012
  9. climbingrocks


    Jan 9, 2008
  10. alex.neves


    Aug 4, 2011
  11. bobbystoney

    bobbystoney Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 13, 2010
    I'm a Benelli M4 kind of guy myself, even though I traded mine off for some INFI.

    Plan on picking up another soon though.
  12. Kirk_Ferentz


    Feb 16, 2010
    For something a little less pricey, you could consider a Remington 11-87. I have a parkerized deer model, and I like it a lot. It is on the heavy side--makes it more of a pain to lug around and to handle, but on the upside, the gun is great at absorbing recoil. Also, it is a very longstanding, popular model, so parts and accessories are easy to come by.
  13. infocus2006


    Feb 18, 2012
    He nailed it on the head! BEN M4!
  14. cricketdave

    cricketdave Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 24, 2008
    If the saiga is set up right its a very dependable fun gun to shoot. I've run around 3000 rounds through mine with no failures and run it hard too. Good magazines and the right gas set up with the right ammo is the way to make it dependable.
  15. Turbo Tension

    Turbo Tension

    May 6, 2010
    If you can find one, the Winchester SX2 (Super X2) is the same gun as an FN SLP (when FN bought all of winchester's ish)
  16. akatim


    Jun 7, 2012
    I really like my Saiga 12. I have no issues with mine. You can get 12 round magazines or 25 round drums, just awesome.

    Also, the Mossberg 930 is a nice semi auto shotgun, they offer it in a few configurations from about $350 - $650. 5 or 7 round capacity.
  17. PeterPHWS

    PeterPHWS Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    I think you need to go for what you initially think is best ... then when you realise that the weight of the mag feed shotguns with hi capacity snail mags is a bugger and is like being stuck with the GPMG and handles like one .... so that you're only aiming from the hip ... Rambo style ... because they are too heavy to mount .... or "not aiming" to give the right explanation of why hitting targets is'nt easy ... then realising that your budget is hard pressed to cater for "supressive fire " which is what they are good for ... and that the 10 round mags are the only way to mount the weapon for a first shot hit ... but even then feeling they are cumbersome and heavy compared to other options ... particularly if you want to carry them without a sling assist ...

    Then you can alter your choice from first hand knowledge and reconsider options such as a Bennelli M1 Super 90 Combat ... recoil operated ... no gas ports to foul up ... no reliability issues ... can be easily carried because they are so light ... and point and shoot instinctively if you pick the right stock ... can be topped up in a useful manner without losing the ability to fire and engage multiple targets whilst doing so ... and generally enable first round hits ...

    The M1 can be improved by changing out a few bits from the M4 ... but the gas operated M4 is not the same legend as the M1 ... why the Marines wanted a gas operated shotgun when they are the most likely weapon to suffer from "fouling" is a bit of a head scratcher from a "reliability" point ... the M1 was commissioned by the German GSG9 Counter Terrorism Unit specifically for this reason. The GSG9 "record" on devloping good weapons is pretty impressive ... they were the unit that also requested the H&K MP5 ... both weapons being used by just about everyone now ... so for me the M1 is a definate win over the M4 or the similar FN ... and way ahead of the Saiga ... the Saiga feels like someone really messed up a good AK47 by giving it steroids ... it is'nt a natural extension of the AK's to turn them into shotguns ...
  18. RedbeAR15

    RedbeAR15 Platinum Plucker Platinum Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    The Super Black Eagle Benelli is the best sport auto I have ever shot. It will kill most any game as it shoots 2 3/4, 3, and 3.5 in shells. Not sure what ammo you can get but versatility is a good thang

    If you're a cop you might need a shorter barrel.

    Don't get caught up in the tactical marketing unless you really need it. Get a dog to give you an extra second to get that longer barrel in position and save your money. You might not look as cool but you will be
  19. resinguy

    resinguy Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 19, 2006
    Well... I was going to say that I had just spoke with another member here this past weekend who is very happy with is Saiga 20ga .... and then I read the voice of Peter's vast real-world experience ... so I'll just sit back now.
  20. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Benelli M 4

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