Sent wrong knife - no response from dealer

Thanks for the info, cougar,

Some of these websites give the impression of being pretty big operations. I have visited two companies in the Atlanta area which sell knives over the internet, Atlanta Cutlery and Brigade Quartermasters. Both of these places appeared to have a fairly large staff when I visited their stores, which were attached to their headquarters. Both were in fairly large buildings with a sizeable number of cars parked in the employee lots.

Anyhow, my personal experience in visiting internet dealers has been to ones that are multi-employee operations. I am suprised to learn there are many operated by a single guy, working part-time.
 
you will discover that in all States, one party consent is sufficient. That party is the PERSON BEING TAPED.
Unless you have a warrant, oral consent from the State's Attorney general, Exigent Circumstance, or the message is left on an answering machine, you CANNOT use as evidence, the recorded voice of another WITHOUT their knowledge or Consent. Should you play the "hidden recorder trick", you will find that you have breached FEDERAL Wire-tapping Laws, and are in DIRECT VIOLATION of the U.S Supreme Court.
You cannot tape , or engage in a one-party tape, unless the person you are taping KNOWS that he is being taped..........Period
 
Even if wiretaping were legal, I still wouldn't use it. I would think working with those tapes would be alot more hassle than printing copies of emails.
 
An email is a text file. You can type any text file you want, type "from" whoever you want to claim it's from, print it out in a fancy font.... A log of a telephone conversation is just as evidential. It's not hard to convey that you're writing down what the other person tells you, either (and I have sometimes noticed when the other person realizes I'm writing down what he's telling me he starts backpedaling very quickly). :)

Voice phone isn't as convenient as email but a lot of businesses haven't figured that out yet -- they actually think it's more convenient, and it's the only effective way to communicate with some of them. (Even IT businesses ... the only way I can get a quick and reliable response from either of my ISPs is by voice phone, believe it or not ... you'd think they of all people ought to understand how much more convenient email is....)
 
E-mail REALLY SUCKS as a communication tool to conduct business.

Right now there is a formite absolutely pissed at me because I FAILED to respond to his E-mail in a TIMELY FASHION in regards to a Knife-trade.

I acess BF via AT&T Broadband, but my mail comes thru AOL. AOL sucks. Some days it works, others it does not, but EVERY DAY there is at least 100 spam-mails asking if I want to have sex with an animal, watch newborn twins engage in Oral sex, win a new computer 67 times, take a very short 4 hour survey, or get a free sample of some new Tampons. I start to hit "delete" and sometimes delete too many.

IF I ever intended to use E-mail as evidence, it would be given the same probative and scientific weight as DOGSH*T. A written E-mail proves NOTHING as they can be cut, copied, pasted, altered, or made to say ANYTHING you want it to. In court, an E-mail can not be introduced as evidence.

Are you CERTAIN you mail is even getting through to the appropriate party. A PERFECT example is why my NEW e-mail address is wolfmann601@aol.com. Because my old E-mail address went to two Wolfmann's on AOL, neither one of which is ME!!!!!

Try the phone!!!!......Ira
 
Correction: email can be entered as evidence in court, just like handwritten notes of a conversation, a copy of a letter you claim to have sent, etc. -- just because it can easily be faked doesn't mean it isn't evidence. It isn't proof of anything; it's up to the court to decide whether to believe it's genuine or faked, but it is evidence.

I hope it is clear to everyone that email can get lost in cyberspace without either being delivered or bounced back with an error message. One of my email accounts swallowed a lot of mail like that once. That's not as rare as it should be.
 
Perhaps I can help clear it up, WT. We had an ice storm in the midwest and lost our power and one telephone line for 5 days. The generator took out the modems on two computers so, while we were able to get some order processing done, we weren't able to get on the internet. I didn't want to destroy the satellite modem so we didn't even connect the server to which that is attached to the generator. I am just now digging out from the work that piled up and beginning to communicate with customers.

I did receive your letter yesterday. I don't understand why you didn't call since the 800 line is free for your use. Nevertheless we are sending a UPS label for you to use to return the knife today. The one we shipped in error was packed by the light of a flashlight with mittened hands in 29 degree temperature in a dark warehouse. We probably should have waited until we had power to ship but we thought we could get it right and we did, for the most part. Your's wasn't the only one we erred on that day but we did get a couple of hundred or so orders out during the outage, most of them accurately. Everything that was available was finally shipped just yesterday. Incidentally, we received no emails from you. If we had, we would have responded. Our local ISP suffered the same fate so it's possible your emails were lost there. So, the UPS label is on the way. No need for you to feel cheated. We just did the best we could under very trying circumstances. Take care.
 
Damn Fred, that was a bit of an education, and one that I will remember. I have learned to be less quick to judge something, because you never know why it might have happened.
 
I guess I need to ask for some crow recipes now after Fred's reply. I sent an apology to Fred after reading his post the other day. I could not reply to this thread immediately as I had wiped out my "cookie" and could not log on for several days.

I have become so used to reliable email and almost immediate replies that it wasn't long before I began to suspect the worst when Knife Outlet did not reply to my messages about getting the the wrong knife. Of course, an ice storm was the last thing I would have suspected as being the cause.

There are a few dishonest characters in the knife business, although obviously Knife Outlet is not one of them. I have three knives which I thought were fully custom when I ordered them, but later found out the blades were bought finished from a supplier. Also, I know of one mail order outfit which advertises good quality blades capable of taking a keen edge, yet an employee of that company told me they would not sharpen the knives because "they [the blades] can't take it".

Anyhow, I apologize to Fred and Knife Outlet for being too quick to suspect foul play.
 
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