SERE 2000, What's the story?

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When these first came out, they were all the rage and hard to get. This fire was no doubt fanned by Jeff Randall's glowing endorsements.

Soooooo, now they've been out for a while and have gone through the toughest test of all, general distribution consumers. What's the story, are they as good as I think they are. Is my opinion shared that they are a tough/rugged though not lightweight folder?

Any thoughts, stories, opinions?
 
Well I am sure not to be the only person to bring this up...

Fact is, they have gained a rep for lock failures. The type that loose you your fingers. The moment I heard this, it went to the very bottom of my must buy list. Until I can be 100% sure that they have sorted this out, I will stick with other brands.

It looks very very good on paper though. VG10 is one heck of a good steel.

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I don't own one, but I have handled 2 from different sources. Both have been rock solid in every way. I've heard the stories, but I can only relate my own experiences.

Dick
 
Nimrod,
I’m glad that you have brought up this question as this subject is one that I too am interested in. Hopefully you will get a lot of responses.

I own a SERE 2000 and it has been my EDC for about 2 months now. At the time of purchase (from a B&M store) I wasn’t even looking (or thinking) about another tactical folder. I was actually getting kind of tired of the whole “black tactical” knife thing and I was hoping to pick up something a little different. I wanted a nice looking knife that was also going to be tough, well built, smooth opening, ergonomically correct, and utilize a more high tech blade steel. That day I was actually looking to handle the new BM 690 but this store had just sold their only one that they had. So by accident, during conversation with the store owner, she mentioned the SERE 2000. I did remember the article by Jeff Randall and I had filed this info into my brain for later re-use. But remember, I didn’t want another purely tactical knife. But let me tell you, when she put this knife in my hands and I snapped the blade open, I knew right away that I was taking this one home with me.
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This knife has all the traits (except stag scales….he-he) that I like in a knife. It’s well balanced, the thumbstud placement is just about perfect (for me at least), the liner/frame is super thick, it’s very well balanced, feels good in the hand, is super sharp, and it’s heavy. Yes, I said “heavy”!!! Now, I now that “heavy” isn’t an attribute that many others here find pleasing but for me I like a little meat with my potatoes. Weight (not too much of coarse) adds to the whole knife using experience (IMHO). I really don’t like a super light knife. They always feel kind of cheapo. Hey, maybe it’s just me, or , maybe not. I ‘dunno. But I will say that even with the extra weight of this knife, I can hardly tell that I’m carrying it in my jean’s pocket. However, I’m sure that this would be different with a more light weight type of pants though.

Now having listed all the positives I want to tell you about a couple of small things that I didn’t like. Hey nothings perfect.
First, the thumbstuds are very sharp. They feel like they could actually cut you. They didn’t of coarse, but they do feel sharp. I remedied this by filing them (very carefully) with a jeweler’s file. Now they feel real good. You get just the right amount of bite/purchase on these studs because of their unusual shape. The sharpness was not needed. Hopefully Al Mar Knives will fix this in the future.
Second, the pocketclip’s tip was turned in. This gave me so many problems when I insert the knife into my front jeans pocket. I had to use two hands. I just had to fix that. I removed the clip and then used two pairs of soft jawed pliers to bend the tip outwards from the knife so the the tip was aligned with the straight portion of the clip. This works awesome. I couldn’t have asked for any better results.

The only other thing that I want to comment on is the liner lock problems associated with this knife. I have been disturbed with some of the posts that I have read about the linerlocks on the SERE 2000 failing “the spine whack test”. I’m disturbed not that someone made these posts as I’m always happy to get any information on a potential safety problem, but that I didn’t hear of these failures until after I had made my purchase.
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This left me with no other choice than to perform my own spine whack test. My SERE 2000 past this test. No problems noted. I don’t know that this means anything other than my knife past now. Maybe it won’t in a year or two. Who knows. I will try this test now and again, if for no other reason, just to feel safe.

So, overall, I would have to say that I’m more than pleased with the level of performance that this knife has provided me to this point. I know that I haven’t really had the chance to use/beat on it yet, but I have a feeling that the Al Mar SERE 2000 is definitely one knife that you can count on when you need it.

--The Raptor--


 
I would like to echo what Raptor said about this knife. I have one and it is really well built. The only thing I don't like are the thumb studs. Mine passes the spine whack with flying colors.

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Great report Raptor. I will echo everything said. I also like a knife a bit heavy and the SERE fits the bill. Never thought about it until you mentioned it Raptor, but stag sure would look good on the SERE. Wonder if the LCC customizer could do something with the SERE?

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About the whack test. Certain SERE 2000 may fail because the knife is too good!!! I think that they may have over smoothed some parts of the knife too much, ie the blade/lock junction. One forum member said he solved this problem with the very simple solution of hitting this junction with sandpaper, and now, he said, he has no problems at all. Although he did say that it failed the whack test only 1 out of about 20 times, and only on a REALLY hard whack. Talk about knife abuse. Sheesh. I love mine and plan to carry it for a long time. BTW I do find the tip of the stud a little sharp, but if ride your thumb in from the side, not the top, it will feel much better to open.
 
I had asked a little birdie who will remain nameless here about his sentiment on the SERE2000. He said that although the knife wasn't bad...it was like having a BEETLE enigine in your PoRSHE-the grip handle setup is so large, and the blade, however good the steel, is too small.

I remember when my buddy was opening up a bottle of gas treatment, and his EDI genesis closed on his hand. Thank the lord for two things; One- cold enough to be wearing gloves out...and Two- he was wearing lead-shot lined/knuckled calf-skin gloves.

The sharp blade slit thru leather, thru layer of thinsulate, and stop only after creating a slit deep and wide enough for lead shot to be pouring out of the glove!!!

I posted about this before, and it still ISN'T funny...I would NVR want a knife that I hadn't been 99.9% trusting...


Steve in NYC

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OwenM,
I feel exactly as you do. You hit the nail square on the head with your post.
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DANGELO,
I have to comment on the handle to blade ratio you mentioned. This is something that I had overlooked in my previous post but wish I hadn't. I can remember, even from the very first picture that I saw of this knife, thinking that it looked disproportionate. This stuck with me until I actually handled it. I can remember thinking that the blade was actually the perfect size and shape for the handle design size and shape. Of coarse this is just my opinion. So take it for what ever it's worth.
Everyone should make up their own minds, of coarse, only after handling this knife for themselves.

--The Raptor--
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by King Grinch:
Well I do not own one but none of the reviews that were about the SERE 2000 were positive.</font>

King Grinch,
"None"............Are you sure about that???

I have seen more positive reviews than negative.
Actually, the only negative comments/reviews that I have read are the couple of linerlock failures that are a result of the spine whack test and the sharp thumbstuds. Everyone else seems to post favorably.

I have got the impression that the negative comments are the exception, not the rule. Excluding, of coarse, the conjecture and speculation of some that have read those linerlock failure posts and then formed their opinions from that.

If I am wrong please point me in the right direction.

--The Raptor--

 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Raptor:
OwenM,
I feel exactly as you do. You hit the nail square on the head with your post.
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Thanks, I edited it out, though. You know "nothing nice to say, don't...".

For anyone who wonders what it said, the gist of it was:
If you don't own it, and don't have any experience with it, don't tell me about it (because you don't know what you're talking about).



[This message has been edited by OwenM (edited 05-05-2001).]
 
Owen,
Thanks for the explanation about your post. I was wondering what happened.

--The Raptor--
 
I was pointing out an aspect that has had much airplay to Nimrod. I was not trying to tell you anything OwenM.

Neither am I against the SERE2000 in a big way. Only thing is, when I know they are working right, I will get one for my collection! Looks nice and has VG10.


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A few useful details on UK laws and some nice reviews!
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/
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I have one that I got from Copfish (thanks, John!) and it is a very good knife.
No problems at all, and I have to confess that I thought that Jeff was maybe over-enthusiastic about this knife when he wrote the review on TK. Now that I have had the chance to actually handle and use the knife, all I have to say "Sorry, Jeff, I will never doubt you again".
 
A solidly-built using folder with SS liners which I prefer over titanium. Only two minor gripes: A bit heavy in the pocket and the awful thumbstud ("thumbpost" actually)
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Red


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[This message has been edited by redvenom (edited 05-06-2001).]
 
Nimrod, you got my opinion first hand last week, but for the forum: Most excellent folder! Al would be pleased. Al Mar entheusiests(Ben Frankin said woe to the man that can only think of one way to spell a word) have regained faith in the company. Of all the big "tactical"(whatever that is) folders we sell, I suspect the SERE 2000 will hold its own in any situation. Drawback...really big and heavy, but is a butterfly compared the the Dieter. md
 
Another vote for the SERE - well built and sturdy as hell. And yes - I own it!!

Only thing that bothered me - the shiny clip - and one generous BF member had it blackened for me...


BTW - if you like VG-10 in a folder - Spyderco Shabariya also has it...
 
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