SF takes out 7 with knife in Afganistan

As I understood it, ats-34 is the Japanese designation for 154cm. SALTY SALTY , which foreign national, I’m curious which one? The one referred to in this thread?
 
mistwalker said:
The steels are pretty similar from what I've seen, and I agree on the blade geometries, but I work in a variety of locations and I like redundant systems, so what comes out all depends on where I am and what I need at the moment :) Mine is an old Benchmade version from the 90s.
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154cm is essentially the same steel as ATS-34. Only difference is 154cm has slightly more silicon and trace vanadium and tungsten which ats34 doesn’t have.

154cm is the American vesion of ATS34 and
ATS34 is the Japanese version of 154cm.

Both are steels I absolutely love if not my favourite then one of my favourites.
 
mistwalker said:
According to Jim Behring SEALs carry Treeman Knives but I have never seen anyone who knew anything about steel and salt water carry a knife made of 0-1 for long exposure to salt water or salt air when it seems like it will rust sitting next to a sink just thinking some water might get splashed on it. According to Paul Basal most SEALs carry Dark Ops knives, according to most comments I've read about Dark Ops knives few take them seriously as a knife company. I've heard a few others tout their knives as being the choice of SEALs. I've come to the conclusion that apparently some knife companies just use SEALs as a marketing gimmick to sell their wares...
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2nd Hand Experience tells me that a lot of people in the field don't even know what the stuff is called they carry. At least that's how it read on the Quiet Professionals Forums (No idea who made their Rail Systems, no idea about the knife they got issued, no idea what the optics/NVG's etcpp was called) while we (Airsofting Mil-Sim Players) knew every acronym in the book. I just read, since it wasn't my place to ask annoying questions, so I did the learning by reading thing. The difference was stark to them it was simply "Does it work? Yes? Okay. Good, don't care what the exact name is." for us it was about trying to be accurate.
And I imagine the knife might as well have been an M-Tech, it probably cut a few MRE's open more or less well, then was used to put holes into people, which you can do with a piece of plastic sharpened on concrete, so anything metal with a bit of an edge will do.
 
mistwalker said:
I've heard a few others tout their knives as being the choice of SEALs. I've come to the conclusion that apparently some knife companies just use SEALs as a marketing gimmick to sell their wares...
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This is a given...and not speculation. Common across the board.
 
b00n said:
2nd Hand Experience tells me that a lot of people in the field don't even know what the stuff is called they carry. At least that's how it read on the Quiet Professionals Forums (No idea who made their Rail Systems, no idea about the knife they got issued, no idea what the optics/NVG's etcpp was called) while we (Airsofting Mil-Sim Players) knew every acronym in the book. I just read, since it wasn't my place to ask annoying questions, so I did the learning by reading thing. The difference was stark to them it was simply "Does it work? Yes? Okay. Good, don't care what the exact name is." for us it was about trying to be accurate.
And I imagine the knife might as well have been an M-Tech, it probably cut a few MRE's open more or less well, then was used to put holes into people, which you can do with a piece of plastic sharpened on concrete, so anything metal with a bit of an edge will do.
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“I don’t know what it’s called(referring to sidearm) I just know the sound it makes when it takes a man’s life.” —Sargent “four leaf” Taybach.
They could tell you what it was by reading the inscription on the blade.
 
mistwalker said:
I'd like to know myself, so I'm going to follow this thread. When I was working in Columbus years ago the Rangers I knew that used to do things like night training exercises on the unsuspecting sleeping trainees in their barracks on the Harmony Church side of Fort Benning, were pretty fond of their sharpened M-7s, but a lot of new knives have come along since the 80s so who knows. Maybe one of Bill Harsey's models.
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I cannot say that I know what the truth is but "No Easy Day" was written by a SEAL.
 
b00n said:
2nd Hand Experience tells me that a lot of people in the field don't even know what the stuff is called they carry. At least that's how it read on the Quiet Professionals Forums (No idea who made their Rail Systems, no idea about the knife they got issued, no idea what the optics/NVG's etcpp was called) while we (Airsofting Mil-Sim Players) knew every acronym in the book. I just read, since it wasn't my place to ask annoying questions, so I did the learning by reading thing. The difference was stark to them it was simply "Does it work? Yes? Okay. Good, don't care what the exact name is." for us it was about trying to be accurate.
And I imagine the knife might as well have been an M-Tech, it probably cut a few MRE's open more or less well, then was used to put holes into people, which you can do with a piece of plastic sharpened on concrete, so anything metal with a bit of an edge will do.
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I suppose it could be possible that having to cross train with so many different systems in applications where they are working jointly with other militaries or plausible deniability could come into play, which the SF guys do some of here and there from what I've read over the years, could lead to simply not caring about the nomenclatures anymore or even an inability to remember all of them, and learning to focus on the actuation and functionality? I know in herb lore and wilderness skills I cannot remember the names of all the plants from one area of the country to another, and sometimes just defer to looking for specific characteristics in some applications.
 
I tried to google this story and came across something peripherally interesting. Somebody call Charlie Mike Charlie Mike

Reports have surfaced of a 29-year-old British SAS sergeant’s fight against fleeing Taliban terrorists in an underground cave complex in Afghanistan in January. The Daily Star Sunday reported that the soldier from central England managed to shoot three terrorists and kill another three with a claw hammer while in near complete darkness in a series of underground tunnels less than 2 feet wide and 4 feet high.
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https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...-in-pitch-black-viet-cong-style-tunnel-fight/
 
I've heard peeps in this situation are issued "sterile" gear with no markings. Who knows if they really are except the pretenders, or those who don't speak about it. Might explain why they didn't know what they were issued, but probably not. Guys like that tend to know their weapons pretty well (marked or not).
 
OP you do understand the mission differences between run of the mill grunts or POG's and SF right?
 
SALTY SALTY , which foreign national, I’m curious which one? The one referred to in this thread?[/QUOTE]

No.
 
Yonose said:
SF could mean anything from an army ranger to a spec.activities.div. operator to a green beret and anything in between, including a SEAL, Delta, .....
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That is incorrect. SF is specifically U.S. Army Special Forces. Its own branch with its own MOSs, all 18 series.
 
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