SF takes out 7 with knife in Afganistan

DocJD said:
;) SAS are probably relegated to carrying " claw hammers " as backup due to anti knife sentiment ? :confused:
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Hahaha. Yes, that is correct, DocJD. They are all armed with Nerf Guns and claw hammers due to our weird laws. That would be true according to whichever cesspool trolls choose to exchange gossip over. Have you ever visited the UK?
 
pinnah said:
Is the point of this thread a desire to obtain or defend the satisfaction of owning and carrying the same kind of knife carried by the real high-speed operators?
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Who knows, but what can be reasonably ascertained is that this story is another internet fabrication.
 
WillB said:
To get nitpick, not accurate. SF is Army Green Berets. People mistakenly refer to SOF, which included in your list. I point that out because if/when talking with anyone from said units, other than Green Berets, you best not call them SF ;)
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Thanks for clarifying. I did mean how the term is understood by “the average person.” The op stated it was SF (which I don’t think it was) and the next post talks about SEAL. Thanks for the correction.
 
Halfneck said:
I prefer to envision a scene similar to the one from "Boondock Saints" about taking some rope along.
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And what's this for Rambo??!
Alright, have your fookin rope!

Love it.
I wish I could remember the guys name, but we did have a real deal door kicker around here for a while who favored tomahawks as a secondary, bloodied one too from memory against a cartel soldier wearing kevlar. Or maybe his team-mate did, it was a while ago.
 
Yonose said:
Thanks for clarifying. I did mean how the term is understood by “the average person.” The op stated it was SF (which I don’t think it was) and the next post talks about SEAL. Thanks for the correction.
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Then " the average person" should be corrected.
 
gadgetgeek said:
And what's this for Rambo??!
Alright, have your fookin rope!

Love it.
I wish I could remember the guys name, but we did have a real deal door kicker around here for a while who favored tomahawks as a secondary, bloodied one too from memory against a cartel soldier wearing kevlar. Or maybe his team-mate did, it was a while ago.
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That guy is probably still around here, just way less active. He has been busy teaching classes around the country and doing articles for magazines like Recoil. He's been more active on Instagram & FB under Ed's Manifesto.
 
WillB said:
To get nitpick, not accurate. SF is Army Green Berets.
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True.
How ever, this is only so in the US. In the minds of many others (civilian and military) in other NATO countries, the term 'Special Forces' is often perceived as an umbrella label for various forces with special training. This tends to cause a gnashing of teeth on behalf of those wearing green headwear.
 
My little brother was a green beret on active duty until about 6 months ago when he went inactive for the army to put him through medical school.

At one point after he had finished a deployment or two I asked him if he could show me any knife disarm techniques, and he said he had not had any hand-to-hand combat training since basic and that his SF training had only focused on guns and explosives (also he was trained as a medic).

Also, he showed me a Gerber (if I recall correctly), which he said his team had received for free, and it was the only knife he ever received or was issued while in the army. The Gerber seemed not so nice, and I don't think he kept it for long. He carried and used a BM Mini Presidio that he bought at a base store, but never killed anyone with it.
 
WillB said:
This the event that came to mind:

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...-in-pitch-black-viet-cong-style-tunnel-fight/
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I enjoy a story about battlefield derring-do more than most. But come on, guys, a little critical thinking is in order!

A lone SAS trooper pursues six armed militants into a cave? Why, exactly?

He enters a cave in a combat scenario without NVGs, a weapon light, or a flashlight, but he does have a claw hammer?

There isn't room enough in the cave to maneuver a rifle, but there's enough to wield a hammer lethally?


mistwalker said:
https://www.defense-us.net/
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And similar questions arise regarding this story about seven militants dispatched by a knife-wielding SF troop.

In an age of AWACS, battlefield drones, GPSs, IFF beacons, personal locators, etc., this guy was separated from his unit (and support elements) for so long that he ran out of ammo and had to fend off seven terrorists with his knife?

Did these heavily armed Taliban fighters file through the door of the abandoned house (A lot of abandoned houses in Afghanistan? How did he know it was abandoned?) one-by-one so he could address them individually? What were Bad Guys Three through Seven doing while Bad Guys One and Two were dutifully being killed by a now lightly armed soldier?


And speaking of critical thinking....

Pilsner said:
As is often the case, some of the things written here about London and Londoners are rather lacking in nuance, which is to be expected, of course. Nobody is trying to ban knives from London, that simply is a fiction. We cook everyday, just like in other places, and we have a full array of kitchen knives. Knife laws, in terms of carry, are no different from anywhere else in the UK, which have not changed for years.
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Pilsner said:
Hahaha. Yes, that is correct, DocJD. They are all armed with Nerf Guns and claw hammers due to our weird laws. That would be true according to whichever cesspool trolls choose to exchange gossip over. Have you ever visited the UK?
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I don't know whom to believe, Pilsner, you or my lying eyes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...TION-tackle-Londons-knife-crime-epidemic.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/09/london-mayor-knife-control/500328002/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/942347/London-knife-crime-Sadiq-Khan-news-mayor-Labour-Party

https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mopac_knife_crime_strategy_june_2017.pdf

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/14m-for-anti-kinfe-crime-projects


Some particularly disturbing points from this last mayoral press release:

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-Steve
 
The Whip said:
I enjoy a story about battlefield derring-do more than most. But come on, guys, a little critical thinking is in order!

A lone SAS trooper pursues six armed militants into a cave? Why, exactly?

He enters a cave in a combat scenario without NVGs, a weapon light, or a flashlight, but he does have a claw hammer?

There isn't room enough in the cave to maneuver a rifle, but there's enough to wield a hammer lethally?




And similar questions arise regarding this story about seven militants dispatched by a knife-wielding SF troop.

In an age of AWACS, battlefield drones, GPSs, IFF beacons, personal locators, etc., this guy was separated from his unit (and support elements) for so long that he ran out of ammo and had to fend off seven terrorists with his knife?

Did these heavily armed Taliban fighters file through the door of the abandoned house (A lot of abandoned houses in Afghanistan? How did he know it was abandoned?) one-by-one so he could address them individually? What were Bad Guys Three through Seven doing while Bad Guys One and Two were dutifully being killed by a now lightly armed soldier?


And speaking of critical thinking....





I don't know whom to believe, Pilsner, you or my lying eyes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...TION-tackle-Londons-knife-crime-epidemic.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/09/london-mayor-knife-control/500328002/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/942347/London-knife-crime-Sadiq-Khan-news-mayor-Labour-Party

https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mopac_knife_crime_strategy_june_2017.pdf

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/14m-for-anti-kinfe-crime-projects


Some particularly disturbing points from this last mayoral press release:

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-Steve
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Oh, they've got "knife wands." Sure to keep people safe.

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The Whip said:
I enjoy a story about battlefield derring-do more than most. But come on, guys, a little critical thinking is in order!

A lone SAS trooper pursues six armed militants into a cave? Why, exactly?

He enters a cave in a combat scenario without NVGs, a weapon light, or a flashlight, but he does have a claw hammer?

There isn't room enough in the cave to maneuver a rifle, but there's enough to wield a hammer lethally?




And similar questions arise regarding this story about seven militants dispatched by a knife-wielding SF troop.

In an age of AWACS, battlefield drones, GPSs, IFF beacons, personal locators, etc., this guy was separated from his unit (and support elements) for so long that he ran out of ammo and had to fend off seven terrorists with his knife?

Did these heavily armed Taliban fighters file through the door of the abandoned house (A lot of abandoned houses in Afghanistan? How did he know it was abandoned?) one-by-one so he could address them individually? What were Bad Guys Three through Seven doing while Bad Guys One and Two were dutifully being killed by a now lightly armed soldier?


And speaking of critical thinking....





I don't know whom to believe, Pilsner, you or my lying eyes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...TION-tackle-Londons-knife-crime-epidemic.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/09/london-mayor-knife-control/500328002/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/942347/London-knife-crime-Sadiq-Khan-news-mayor-Labour-Party

https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mopac_knife_crime_strategy_june_2017.pdf

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/14m-for-anti-kinfe-crime-projects


Some particularly disturbing points from this last mayoral press release:

IMG-4827.jpg


IMG-4828.jpg



-Steve
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Hi Steve,

You seem to have taken a quote from another thread, a thread locked by a Mod, which is nice. I live in London, I work in London, I come from a family with a more than average quotient of lawyers. I can assure you that reports of the demise of Londoners’ rights in regards to owning knives are misguided. Sadiq says lots of things, lots and lots of things. There are some who don’t take him particularly seriously due to some or lots of the things Sadiq says. I am probably in that category, although he did get my vote. Have you seen who he was running against? Also, he is not a fan of the gentleman who leads the Party of which he is a member: something we have in common.

Back to knives, if you ever want to visit London, assuming you don’t live here, send me a PM and I’ll talk to you about the politics and laws relating to knives in the UK, and by nature of our legal system, London. You can choose to believe exactly as you see fit, and it is no skin off my nose if you want to believe some of those reports. I don’t have any more to say on the subject, as this is GKD.

EDIT: I’ll add this, as it is merely of historical knife-related interest. London has had restrictions on carrying knives since Tudor times, which predates the Declaration of Independence by a century or more I believe. Call it a ‘cultural difference’ in terms of how we approach young Englishmen stabbing each other to death with bloody big knives, and have done so for around 500 years. ;)
 
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The Whip said:
I enjoy a story about battlefield derring-do more than most. But come on, guys, a little critical thinking is in order!
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I don't take any story like that on face value, but I was not there, and will not call BS on it, at least not publicly. I'd need third party confirmation to believe it. There's been a number of books recently written by some SOF types that were mostly total BS when they were looked into, so as usual, take such stories with a grain of salt. I was just relaying what I assumed was the story the OP was looking for. That two guys from one of the most elite SOF teams in the US arsenal claims to be the guy who took out OBL, strongly suggesting one is lying, is an example that even among the tip of the spear, "recollections" differ:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/killed-osama-bin-laden/story?id=26739447
 
I suppose though, its like any "troops of unusual skill" stories.
There was a purported story of a USAF aircraft taking out a TV tower in Yugoslavia with the then vaunted Maverick Missile. Then Jane's Defense Weekly said, "Hold the party folks, the maverick can't hit a TV tower using just its camera alone, it would have to be targeting a beacon of some sort, and this tower was heavily guarded". Of course that tower is within the Canadian forces zone, so its possible that someone like a JTF2 member climbed the tower to place a signal beacon (probably an IR strobe). Within days it was reported that a greater number of "the enemy" were surrendering, Huzzah!
Is it possible that a person infiltrated a secure compound and climbed half way up a TV tower, then escaped without being detected? Sure. Is it likely? Who knows? Is it possible that the USAF just wanted everyone to think for some reason that they didn't have a certain capability? maybe. 50% truth 50% propaganda? I have no idea. I do know that these stories of insane bad-assery get floated to chuff someone's ego (probably political or brass, whatever) and add to the myth of why you don't mess with the secret squirrels.

I think there is a reason why in Blackhawk Down the "Delta" guys are just inhuman unstoppable killing machines. Everyone watches movies.
 
gadgetgeek said:
I suppose though, its like any "troops of unusual skill" stories.
There was a purported story of a USAF aircraft taking out a TV tower in Yugoslavia with the then vaunted Maverick Missile. Then Jane's Defense Weekly said, "Hold the party folks, the maverick can't hit a TV tower using just its camera alone, it would have to be targeting a beacon of some sort, and this tower was heavily guarded". Of course that tower is within the Canadian forces zone, so its possible that someone like a JTF2 member climbed the tower to place a signal beacon (probably an IR strobe). Within days it was reported that a greater number of "the enemy" were surrendering, Huzzah!
Is it possible that a person infiltrated a secure compound and climbed half way up a TV tower, then escaped without being detected? Sure. Is it likely? Who knows? Is it possible that the USAF just wanted everyone to think for some reason that they didn't have a certain capability? maybe. 50% truth 50% propaganda? I have no idea. I do know that these stories of insane bad-assery get floated to chuff someone's ego (probably political or brass, whatever) and add to the myth of why you don't mess with the secret squirrels.

I think there is a reason why in Blackhawk Down the "Delta" guys are just inhuman unstoppable killing machines. Everyone watches movies.
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It's more likely some of those dudes were a couple hills away with a designator. Still hairy as heck to pull off.
 
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