Sharpening the new Busses

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I have recently acquired my first (and second and third and fourth and, today, fifth) Busse. I've been reading up on the forums on how to sharpen knives in general and these in particular. I am now more confused than when I started that research.

All the knives are new. None of them seem particularly sharp. The SAR 3 seems pretty dull actually. What to do?

I've got a strop and a ceramic stick on the way. I was thinking of getting a stone or two as well, but I'm not sure that is necessary.

I have used stones before, but not sure if I made any progress in making the knives sharper.

I don't think I want to get a belt sander.

The sandpaper/mouse pad thing seems like it might be a good way to go, but I'm not sure exactly how that should work. I've seen a few YouTube videos, but I don't know if I should trust the 14-year-old "experts" making them.

Any thoughts (or links to videos or any of the hundreds of threads and videos that are actually useful)?

Thanks.

P.S. No more Busses (or knives or any big purchases) for a while.
 
You may have a mix of V edges and full convex edges.
Each needs a different approach.


I have noticed new Busse with a stuborn wire edge that needs polished or steeled away.
 
Sand Paper and Mouse pad here and it works like a champ. I must admit I have a been a free hand sharpener all my life. I use a number of methods, but if your removing material and wanting to convex the edge, the sandpaper is a good control method of achieving this.
 
i asked the same q, and the way i interpreted it , if you have full convex blades, go to jreindustries or barkriver and get strops with the colored compounds, they act sort of like sandpaper, i got the jreindustries strop bat because it has 4 sides, u can load one of each compound on each side then finish the convex off with the final leather pad that has no compound at all, for v edges, everyone swears by edge pro, apex model and pro model, some told me sharpmaker, but the pics of edgepro are ridiculous, it gives a mirror polish on the edge. someone else said something about whetstones by hand giving the best edge, but i am scared to chance it until i could master that. for convex, ppl said to make sure and not let the edge get too dull before you strop because if you let it get too far you have to reprofile the entire blade, which would suck big time. hope this helps, heres the link i posted if it helps
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=764256&highlight=strops
 
Look at pics of the NMFBMLE, you can see how there is no noticeable edge, its like an ax, it has a gradually tapers down to the tip, much more durable for chopping, the v-edge is what the cg models have, done on a grinder i presume, it will cut your finger easier but does not hold up to heavy chopping very well. the cg bwm has a convex grind, meaning the spine gradually tapers down to the edge seamlessly, but then it has a v edge, its easy to confuse them, sabre grinds are what the Le BWM are, look at the pics on the order page of Bussecombat. here is a link that helped me alot, it took me awhile to understand all of the differences

http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=35
and this one is awesome for visuals
http://zknives.com/knives/articles/knifeedgetypes.shtml
 
I think those are all v grinds that you have, might be wrong though, sar 3 def. if you look at the edge closely, if it makes a sharp V, it is v, and if it is a curved V, it has more characteristics of a convex
 
I would have to say, my biggest concern with Busse, is their Quality Control on edges.

Getting a $500 knife and having to spend serious time working on the edge is unacceptable. I don't care what people think.

I have knives ranging from $30 to $700 or so.

I would be pissed if a $30 knife from CS came and it was not sharp. It has never happened yet, but if it did, I would be pissed.

Most of the factory knives I have gotten from Busse with the original factory edge were sharp on the flat, and not sharp on the tip.

The SS was hair popping the entire length.
Ash1CG was shaving sharp out to the tip.
BAD had a wire edge the entire length, that would not slice paper (fixed with bit of work on the strop).

The B11 had a great edge until the last two inches at the tip. In cutting a water bottles, if you hit the tip, the bottle would just bounce away. Anywhere on the main edge it would slice through a bunch of bottles. I fixed that on a diamond stone with just a few minutes per side, then a strop.

The KZII had a pretty sharp edge out to the last two inches of the tip, then I would guess it was about 80-90 degrees inclusive. Really really obtuse, and not sharp at all. I have spend some serious time convexing that one with sand paper, and taking some shoulder off and bringing the edge up. Not quite done, but getting there. I could have fixed it in about 20 minutes on the belt grinder, but just don't want to worry about screwing it up, and voiding warranty.

Again, I have knives from a few manufacturers, and am continually floored that Busse's have such an issue with the edges, particularly the tip. I think it costs them tons of business, because most are not willing to or able to fix them.


That said, I will keep buying and using and loving them. But, I can put a decent edge on them my self.


For sharpening, having the ceramic stick, and strop will likely get the job done, but you might want to look into getting a few stones as well.

A diamond set in coarse, medium and fine would be my suggestion (I only have a small smith stone ceramic v rod set).

The reason I say that is that the ability to fix dings and such is easier with the stones.

I use sandpaper mouse pad to convex and to touch up when duller than a strop will quickly bring back.

If you let a convex edge go for a long time and go back to the sand paper, you don't really have to "re-profile" or "regrind" the edge. It really should just be a quick touch up.

Mouse pad, sand paper of various grits, and I also bought a pane of glass that I use under the set up. That way I have a true flat surface, and can get right up to the edge. Also, if I am doing some serious work, I can tape the sand paper at the corners to the sheet of glass which is larger.

It really is not that convex edges are so much superior than V ground edges.

A sharp edge is a sharp edge and both will cut.

If you can get sharp V edges that is fine.

If some one handed me a Battle Mistress with a sharp v grind to chop with, I would not be thinking "crap, this v edge is really bumming me out" Sharp is sharp.

I think that convex edges of similar angle to v grind edges are a bit more robust, and may bite a bit deeper than a v grind because of the smoother transition and lack of a more defined shoulder, but really, unless you are a competition cutter, or something, the difference won't be as noticeable as you think.

Now, a convex edge with a blended transition to a flat grind, or a full convex zero edge will be a better performer for chopping (as long as the edge geometry is decent). An example would be the NMFBMLE with the full convex grind to zero edge. Sucker is a chopper. The Test Team KZ had a full convex grind to zero edge, but they left the edge geometry too thick near the edge, and performance suffered greatly. Same type of grind, but the difference is all in the profile/geometry. If you go too thin, you will be rolling and bending your edge under normal use, so it is a balance.

Thick enough be robust but thin enough to be able to bite deep.

My real thing about convex edges is that they are just so easy to maintain. I have a 4 sided strop that I made my self. Loaded with compound. I just strop the edge of the knife if I have used it that day. A few passes per side, and hair popping sharp every time. I don't have to set anything up, or make a mess. the other great thing is that it travels so well. Toss it in a bag or pack (inside a plastic bag so you don't get stropping compound on everything). You can make really simple easy to carry travel size stropping kits too. Pack up real light and small, and be able to field maintain your edge super easy.

Learning to convex my knives seemed to make me a much much better sharpener free hand on stones. I don't know why.

Before I learned to convex by hand, I was terrible with a stone. I would actually make the knife less sharp every time. I had to use a fixed sharpening system to get results.

I can sharpen on a fixed angle system like a champ, and scare my family with the edges (even my dad and brother who both have the same system were always asking me what the heck I was doing to get the edges so sharp).

All that said, pick a method, and just spend some time figuring it out. One tip is to try the method with cheaper knives and learn it before tackling it on your Busse's.

I convexed one folder before trying it on my Infi, and that was enough to show me how really really easy it was.
 
Nothing wrong with the Spyderco Sharpmaker. I've given them as gifts to the sharpening challenged.
 
There are plenty of good sharpening devices. Go with what you know. Try out different methods on knives that you are not worried about messing up, Although you would have to work really hard to truly mess up any knife with the sand paper/mouse pad or a wet stone method. Use a belt sander and your one your own. Just experiment and post the result with pics to help others. That is all the wisdom I can impart (if there was any wisdom in that).:D

Good Luck
 
I received one of the tan/black g10 sar-3s yesterday, and to say I was disappointed is

an understatement. I have spent this much on a knife before, but never one that was as

jacked up as this one. Each side of the blade was ground at a different angle. Not just a

slightly different angle, a VERY DIFFERENT ANGLE.

Not only that, when you look at the spine of the knife, the tip is TOTALLY

ASYMMETRICAL. I was expecting to have to sharpen it since I've heard that Busse edges

aren't sharp, but I was not expecting a jacked up knife.

Inspector #11 needs to be fired.

I've spent a lot less $ on knives, and been much more satisfied. There is no excuse for

this. Period.

I contacted Busse about it, and I got no reply.

It blows my mind.

I am an unsatisfied customer.

When you spend over $200 on a blade it should have some quality control behind it.

I have better knives from china.

I like the looks of the scales. The blade is a joke.

Busse should take a hint from other companies (ESEE, BRKT). These companies make

great knives that arrive at your door usable.
 
When I first came to bladeforums I was an extreme novice on sharpening. The first thing to understand is what a burr is. To sharpen a dull blade no matter V or Convex you have to raise a burr and remove it. The burr must raise when you remove metal from both sides. It is much easier to see this with large grit removal but if you have good eyes or a visual assist you can see it on fine grits also. Once you have a burr you remove it with a strop. Your knife will now be sharp.

My quick explanation is far from all encompassing but until you understand this you will not be able to sharpen any knife well. Some people like the sharpie trick and it works. I prefer good eyes and extreme control. Once you get good instead of looking after you grind to see where you removed metal you will remove metal right where you want the first time. Until you get a feel for it DO NOT put your Busse knives or any knife you value to a belt sander.

I hope this helps you.
 
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Funny you should mention it eloreno, the knife that really got me wondering about sharpening is my brand new black and tan SR3. I've been looking down the edge for the past 20 minutes trying to figure out if it is a V or a convex and I can't really decide because each side is different -- which is, I suppose asymmetrical. It was also inspected by #11.
 
Let's talk about dull blades from the factory. This one came less then desirable.

Can you tell from this video???

 
I would have to say, my biggest concern with Busse, is their Quality Control on edges.

Getting a $500 knife and having to spend serious time working on the edge is unacceptable. I don't care what people think.

huge +1

Nothing wrong with the Spyderco Sharpmaker. I've given them as gifts to the sharpening challenged.

+1

That is what I use for my Busses because it works consistantly.

I usually use the diamond rods to set a proper V grind since I dont think I've ever had a symmetrical edge from the factory...

I'll even reprofile the convex grinds to V just because of the ease of use with the sharpmaker.

For the life of me I could never keep a consistent angle with the sandpaper and mousepad technique, even using a sharpie, and just wound up getting frustrated.

Anyway, the Sharpmaker and a pair of Spyderco diamond rods is what I like.
 
Let's talk about dull blades from the factory. This one came less then desirable.

Can you tell from this video???


That's what I was hoping/assuming all mine would do. None come close but the SAR 3 is the worst. Just for kicks I tried it with the two new ESEE blades I got and a new Bark River and all three of those sliced the hell out of the paper.
 
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