Sheeple!

So we have a food day at work every now and again....

The same dude brings bread every time and no freakin' knife.

"WTF" says I.

"I can't bring a knife to work" says he

I called him and idiot and left it at that.

So I guess we freakin' tear the bread apart like third world country. What an idiot.

Two seperate occasions.
 
I am about to board a flight....armed as a federal LEO. I have already made all notifications and am anticipating pre-boarding when I heard my named called. I was summoned by TSA for secondary searching. I go to their table and they ask for my rucksack. As I put it on the table, I ask them what they are looking for. Surprised that I would talk directly to them, she says "prohibited items".

I tell her that she will find plenty of those in there and place my LEO paperwork on the table in front of her. I have zero doubt that she had never seen that paperwork, or knew what it was. She conducts her search and finds a Busse AD, and extra magazines. When I point out to her that I am an armed passenger on the flight, she says well you cannot bring aboard the knife. It is a "prohibited item". I ask her if Glock pistols are prohibited and she curiously looks at me and says "yes, but you can carry that because of your occupation". I give her my most aggressive whisper, saying I am carrying a Glock pistol and my knife stays with me. After minutes of private meetings with her associates, I was alowed to proceed.

That is a good story displaying a total lack of common sense!.

I made a trip to Bulgaria ( I lived there for two years). I had a shaving bag with all my bathroom stuff in it on my carry on. (this was Pre 9-11). I flew from Salt Lake City, New York, Vienna, Bulgaria, then two years later, back from Bulgaria, to Frankfurt, to Vienna. In Vienna on the return trip, after coming back to the air port in the morning, I had to go back through security with my carry on bag. In that shaving kit, was something that the security lady running the x-ray machine did not like. In the shaving kit on the side pocket were two .30-30 bullets. They had been there for two years, and multiple flights, with security checks. When I emptied the bag out before the trip I must have missed them (it used to be my range bag).

Of course, by the time she found them, everyone was gathered around to see what the prohibited item would be. She held them up for everyone to see that I was carrying bullets. Then to the delight of the crowd she started banging them together. This dumb lady actually started smacking the tip of one bullet against the primer of the other. I quickly stated "I would not do that, those are real and might go off". Which elicited may gasps and shock from the crowd of people watching.
This was the day before Thanksgiving, and my friend who was traveling with me told me that he would call my family and explain what had happened if they decided to arrest me. He said this as the guys with machine guns were surrounding me and asking me to come with them.
The guys with machine guns were quick to escort me into a security room, where I was held for about 15 minutes until the head of security came in, looked at the bullets, turned to all the security officers and said "whats the big deal, you called me all the way down for that?" He took the bullets, put them in a bubble wrap envelope and put a baggage claim sticker on them and gave me the stub. He told me that he would just give them to the pilots, and in New York they would give them back to me. He apologized for the reaction of his employees.

In New York, sure enough, they just handed me the manila envelope with the bullets in it. I had to go back through security there for another flight. I asked a security officer there if there was a place for me to dispose of them, or if they just wanted me to check them. She told me to just throw them in the nearest trash can. I told her that might not be a great idea, and explained that if the trash can caught fire it might have a bad result.

So long story short, when my family came to pick me up at the air port, I had all my bags, but was waiting for something else. Finally, a small bin came around, with my bullets.

It was a good ending, but in Vienna, I was sure I was going to get arrested when the dudes with the machine guns took me into the security room.

If that same thing happened post 9-11 I am sure I would have had a harder time of it.
 
Being 16 I mostly get looks from people that think I'm some murdering crack smoking hood.
I have had people tell me some rediculous "laws".

Funny thing is that the Police don't bother me, the HW patrolmen are best about it.
I once had a good conversation with a HW patrolman at the state fair.
They have metal detectors at the enrance, so I walked up and asked if I could carry my Military in.
He said not as long as mine isn't, he told me that he carried a BM griptilian.
Pretty good since I used that knife 5-6 times that day.
 
It is funny. It is usually the people who ask "why do you carry that?" who are always later coming up and asking to use it.

At the law school I went to, I got some comments early on for carrying a knife. But those same people were soon always asking me to cut stuff for them, or volunteering the knife for others to use "oh, go ask Tyson, he always has a knife"
 
I don't like cities, or to generalize...the coasts.

I am usually the knife guy here in NE Iowa, but no one ever gives me any crap about it...unless it is an assisted opener.

Most people here carry a pocket knife of some sort (HINT HINT...Busse Folder...) but some carry a FB, with no ill effects.

Just keep it reasonable...I think Iowa law is anything over 5 inches is a simple misdemeanor, and anything larger than 8 inches is a serious misdemeanor, unless you are engaged in hunting.

The Bear Cub gets mixed responses...usually asking why I have such a little knife.
 
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I have had people tell me over and again that carrying a knife is illegal. I am so tire of hearing people say "that is illegal!" Or you are going to get arrested.

But tonight I was at a store. Bought a toy for my 3 year old kid, and walking out, noticed it was broken. Took it back to the customer service center, and exchanged it for a working one. My kid asked me to help him open it. It was held in with really heavy zip ties, I took out my GW and sliced them off and handed him the toy. The employee behind the counter said "I am pretending I did not see that!"

HMM I thought, am I not supposed to open it in the store? I asked her what she meant. She said "you are scaring the cashiers". I was there with my wife, and my 3 year old son happily playing with the new toy. I supposed we made and imposing group of street thugs.

You can't get much more sheeple friendly than the GW. Good thing I left the SS in the car, or was not carrying a taticool folder or something. I carry a convexed old Recon1 (although not as much recently).

I was thinking on the way home, there is a statute in WA that allows for criminal charge if anyone is scared by a knife you are carrying (or anything that appears capable of causing bodily harm and causes them alarm).

That store employee who peed her pants when I used a 3 inch blade could have called the cops on me, and if the police did not like me, they could have arrested me.

3 inches is legal in WA. 3.5 is the limit, so i guess if you carry your SS it might actually be illegal. i carry my BAD as long as i'm not in the city of Seattle since fixed blades are illegal there, bit if i don't have that, i always have a folder, even if a crappy one.

it's certainly funny (and stupid) how people think you're crazy for carrying a knife (crazier than for carrying a gun it seems).

i'm sure foxyrick will have a lot to say on the whole subject as the U.K. laws are ridiculous.

also, i'm certain this point has been brought up in similar discussions elsewhere, but ever notice how the bad guy in movies always carries a knife? it seems like it's popular to think of someone who uses a knife as a psycho.
 
Was she hot?

I like it when they allow you to fly armed but want you to dump out your water bottle. Shrewd and adept they are.

That's Funny:D
What is your opinion of flight security in the US? Do you feel safe to fly unarmed? I ask because as someone who travels a great deal all over the world I was impressed by the upgrades and changes made to airport security in the US.
It certainly does not compare to Israel but it seemed very good.
 
I have many stories like this but one still has me steaming after 10 years.

About a week after a neighbor and I helped pull an unconcious girl from her burning car a journalist from the local paper dropped by to get the scoop.

In short, "heard a crash and ran down to see what happened, neighbor and I noticed fire coming from under the hood, tried to open door and no go, we bent the sh*t out of the door window frame trying to pull the door open (Geo Metro) and it didn't help, wow...holy sh*t fire was coming out of the glove box and under the passenger foot well area, she was strapped in her seat belt, release button wouldn't let go, pulled out my pocket knife (Spydie Delica) and cut her belt at the door junction and pulled her out. yada, yada, yada, huh? Why did I have a knife? I always wear one and this one is my work knife...I was getting ready to go to work when I heard the accident. Sure, you can see it, here you go...why do I carry a knife? yada, yada, do I really use the knife on a daily basis, yeah, yeah, yada, yada, why did I choose to use a knife to cut the seatbelt? Am I EMT or LEO? When did I get the idea to carry a knife? WTF?

Considering emergency personel didn't arrive for another 5 minutes and all this guy wanted to do was drill me on my knife so I asked him, "is the girl ok?"

Apparently he didn't even know girl's name:bannedsmiley:

I aked him if he would have done any different..."I don't carry a knife because there's no reason for someone who doesn't work for emergency services to carry one." So what would you have done I asked? The MF'r just looked at me like a deer in headlights, LMAO!

I recommended to him to go interview the girl and just walked away.

It's a wonderful age we live in when even the most common sense selfless act earns scrutiny from retarded journalists.

But,...as surreal as it was helping the girl, the fire shooting out of the glove box was pretty cool:D
 
I thought you said the knife was a Red GW!? :)
Yea---I keep my blade out of site. No hassles then.
 
Wow, Strabs! Your story just about takes the cake in demonstrating modern stupidity. All I can say is wow!
 
She told me to just throw them in the nearest trash can. I told her that might not be a great idea, and explained that if the trash can caught fire it might have a bad result.

I am not sure what the danger is here that you are referring to. Of course, there are many dangers and it is not wise to dump unspent ammo in a garbage can for any reason. But the mention of fire has me believing that you think bullets might be flying randomly as if shot out of a gun.

We recently had a company come in and take our confidential trash to an incinerator to be burned. Sure enough, SOMEHOW :confused: somebody let a round or two go out with the confidential trash. The company that came in to conduct the burn stated that when the rounds went off, they damaged the inside of their incinerator. Well, fed. govt. being what it is decided to "pay up" without really questioning it, at least as far as I could see. A co-worker told me that he did not believe it the rounds going off damaged anything. He said that bullets do not go flying when they explode in a fire. Sure, the casing "explodes" (sort of), and I would not want to be holding onto it when it happens, but he said there basically is not enough direct confinement that would allow the pressures to build and cause the bullet to become a deadly projectile. I don't know which is right. Maybe Myth Busters could tackle that one. I'd be interested to know for sure.
 
. He said that bullets do not go flying when they explode in a fire. Sure, the casing "explodes" (sort of), and I would not want to be holding onto it when it happens, but he said there basically is not enough direct confinement that would allow the pressures to build and cause the bullet to become a deadly projectile. I don't know which is right.

That is my understanding. If they are not confined in something like a chamber the casing pops off and not much else happens.

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I liver in central WA.

While homeless I carried an 18 in HI m-43 kukri openly for over a year. I never got any bad comments. The few dealings I had with law enforcement they admired it and advised me there was no problem and it was absolutely legal. There is no state wide blade limit law in this state only in the city of Seattle, and that stautute would have been turned over except the challenge case didn't address the issue properly. The supreme court justices unanmimously stated that it would be overturned if it were properly challenged but that hey couldn't overturn it in that case.

That being said I try to carry less intimidating knives on my day to day basis these days since I no longer need the kukri as my daily survival tool. I still have it and when camping etc it still rides with me, albeit generaly on the side of the pack now.

In order for an individual to be charged under the menacing statutes you have to be doing something to menace other than just wearing or using a knife in a normal fashion. Some type of threatening movement etc. must be proven.
 
i Liver In Central Wa.

While Homeless I Carried An 18 In Hi M-43 Kukri Openly For Over A Year. I Never Got Any Bad Comments. The Few Dealings I Had With Law Enforcement They Admired It And Advised Me There Was No Problem And It Was Absolutely Legal. There Is No State Wide Blade Limit Law In This State Only In The City Of Seattle, And That Stautute Would Have Been Turned Over Except The Challenge Case Didn't Address The Issue Properly. The Supreme Court Justices Unanmimously Stated That It Would Be Overturned If It Were Properly Challenged But That Hey Couldn't Overturn It In That Case.

That Being Said I Try To Carry Less Intimidating Knives On My Day To Day Basis These Days Since I No Longer Need The Kukri As My Daily Survival Tool. I Still Have It And When Camping Etc It Still Rides With Me, Albeit Generaly On The Side Of The Pack Now.

In Order For An Individual To Be Charged Under The Menacing Statutes You Have To Be Doing Something To Menace Other Than Just Wearing Or Using A Knife In A Normal Fashion. Some Type Of Threatening Movement Etc. Must Be Proven.



Homeless In Yakima, You Are Hardcore! Its So Bone Chilling Cold! Its Was Bad Enough In A Damn Tent!!! Im Glad Things Are Lookin Up Bro!! Jeremy
 
That's Funny:D
What is your opinion of flight security in the US? Do you feel safe to fly unarmed? I ask because as someone who travels a great deal all over the world I was impressed by the upgrades and changes made to airport security in the US.
It certainly does not compare to Israel but it seemed very good.

i can say this: the tsa employees at lax are perhaps some of the dumbest "security" people i have ever encountered.

im a cop. no big secret. i went to dc earlier this year for the national leo memorial. i had my pistol locked in a metal case. i had three mags and one round (for the bbl) locked in a separate metal case. ammo doesnt need to be locked up, but i figured why not?

tsa moron: you can't have a loose round.
me: it isnt loose, close the box.
moron: but its loose.
me: no it isn't. it just isn't in a magazine. it was locked in the box before you opened it. it was secure.
moron: you cant travel with a loose round.
me: close and lock the box. it's then more secure than any other approved way of transporting ammo.

well, five other tsa morons, at least two supervisors, and two lax pd units later, they agreed to throw the round away and let me board my plane.
 
Only in a world turned backwards can wanting to protect yourself and others from harm, as well as carry the most useful tool ever devised in the history of man, be considered criminal, or weird.:thumbdn:

When a 16 year old girl was brutally raped and near killed at the local library in my town, a peaceful Norman Rockweel type area, and attacked so badly she went into a coma, almost died, and has lost 90% of her vision from brain injuries, I decided that if the local liberal population wont help, Im not going to be the guy driving by that can actually do something!
 
i can say this: the tsa employees at lax are perhaps some of the dumbest "security" people i have ever encountered.

im a cop. no big secret. i went to dc earlier this year for the national leo memorial. i had my pistol locked in a metal case. i had three mags and one round (for the bbl) locked in a separate metal case. ammo doesnt need to be locked up, but i figured why not?

tsa moron: you can't have a loose round.
me: it isnt loose, close the box.
moron: but its loose.
me: no it isn't. it just isn't in a magazine. it was locked in the box before you opened it. it was secure.
moron: you cant travel with a loose round.
me: close and lock the box. it's then more secure than any other approved way of transporting ammo.

well, five other tsa morons, at least two supervisors, and two lax pd units later, they agreed to throw the round away and let me board my plane.

I'm convinced that if it were not for TSA, we would have a whole lot more folks sitting at home on the couch watching reruns of Jerry Springer, feeding their faces with twinkies and beer, and waiting for their next welfare check to come in.
 
I'm convinced that if it were not for TSA, we would have a whole lot more folks sitting at home on the couch watching reruns of Jerry Springer, feeding their faces with twinkies and beer, and waiting for their next welfare check to come in.


they are former baggage handlers and janitors methinks. respectable professions, but the transition to a security detail has been rocky at best.

at least they aren't unionized. or i hope they aren't.

btw, i was in three other airports on that trip, and lax employees are regarded across the country as the least professional and the most incompetent.
 
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