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Ratman79 said:
An idea for future CG releases could be maybe to announce that such-and-such blade will have the pitted steel as opposed to not. This way the customer could be informed from the beginning and decide whether or not to buy the blade because he or she would know exactly what they were getting...might prevent some issues down the line. Just a thought.
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Agreed on this, despite the rampant fanboyism in this thread, I think it's fair to say the majority of people would rather their knife came in the standard we've come to expect and that any deviation from that standard should be relayed to the customer before they buy it.

Yes performance is definitely the most important thing, but if I'm paying $300-1000 for a blade that's not even hand forged I think it's reasonable to expect both performance and aesthetics.
 
We mostly preferred competition finish but certain more cosmetically demanding folks ruined that for the rest of us. And ironically as a direct result of competition finish looking too good on a run skewing the expectation away from the spirit of the finish.
 
darkaether said:
We mostly preferred competition finish but certain more cosmetically demanding folks ruined that for the rest of us. And ironically as a direct result of competition finish looking too good on a run skewing the expectation away from the spirit of the finish.
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A lot of truth to this. I think that comp not being available is what drives us to strip coated blades, and then we get to where we are now. Bringing back comp would clear up everything, bring about world peace, prosperity, a thousand years of economic growth, bacon in every sandwich and blue label in every glass.
 
Was not questioning the warranty-it is apparent some people can not comprehend what my concern was, and maybe this is my lack of communication skills! At this point this thread if nothing else has enlightened us what to expect in each Grade offered-This is a GOOD THING! I love Busse Knives and will continue to purchase them, I Highly Recommend them! I know what grade I prefer, and other Forum Members know what they prefer-The World is a Beautiful Place-Also if any individual has a concern or problem with their knife, BUSSE should be contacted FIRST before anything is posted on social Media-Now bring on the WTF-Cheers!!!
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It's there...it's in Jerry's reply in post #180...look at the letters starting with the N and ending with the ! ;)
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As a new buyer of Busse and Kin knives, I did quite a bit of researching before deciding to purchase some. Before my purchase, I understood that a Busse CG was INFI and likely had character marks under the paint, that BG was SR-101 and also coated, and if I wanted a knife to be a pretty steel finish, I would order an LE.

Throughout this thread, I keep seeing comparisons to Busses and cars. Most of them have been flawed in the sense that they are comparing something being "wrong" with the car when you buy it.

The comparison should be more along the lines of buying an Aston Martin and deciding you're going to strip the paint off and complain or comment about what it looks like with no paint. When the car was manufactured, the maker did not put thought or effort into what the buyer would see when they stripped the paint off. Just that the car(or Busse knife) would look good with the paint applied and function the same with or without the paint.

I have not yet seen anyone say that one of these knives with the surface pits, scratches, dimples, or machine marks have performed unfavorably, or different than one without. That is what would peak my interest.

The main focus should stay on the fact that you have a Knife for Life. Jerry said no knives have been turned down for warrantee. That's impressive.

Also, This thread has some good information for others like me within the community. Good stuff.
 
EBP, where's them pics? :) Wood like to see it. Did you put a super thin edge on it? If not I would send it back cause prolly has bad heat treat.
 
Ulf Krogstad said:
EBP, where's them pics? :) Wood like to see it. Did you put a super thin edge on it? If not I would send it back cause prolly has bad heat treat.
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It's just got the factory edge, i only got the knife about a week ago. I don't think it has bad heat treat, why do you say that? I went out yesterday to split more logs only to realise i have chopped them all in half so i went back inside lol. I'll still get some pics for ya today if you like but don't think i will acheive the same bendage with logs half as short :( Btw the wood i was splitting was Australian Red Gum that was about half seasoned but had been outside in the rain (Winter here) for the last week or so since i had been working on chopping it in half since i got the knife :thumbup: tough stuff!

Side note: when i chop with anything under 1/4" thick it makes a weak "ding" sound on that wood - like metal on metal haha!
 
Reign said:
The comparison should be more along the lines of buying an Aston Martin and deciding you're going to strip the paint off and complain or comment about what it looks like with no paint. When the car was manufactured, the maker did not put thought or effort into what the buyer would see when they stripped the paint off. Just that the car(or Busse knife) would look good with the paint applied and function the same with or without the paint.
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It's nothing like that.

The coating comes off with use, it doesn't take much use to do it either so it is not unreasonable to expect they aren't in a terrible state under the coating. We're complaining about these blades being seemingly different to any other busses. My stripped TGLB looked nothing like that, even before I polished it. Some people were concerned about how it would effect the performance, and others such as myself are concerned about the aesthetics of a blade at the very top end of the production fixed blade price point.

Similarly if you bought an Aston Martin, it is reasonable to expect that it is immaculate under the paint, if I stripped my Aston Martin and it was covered in divots, deep lines and scratches I would not be happy at all and I would want an explanation from Aston on why it was like this.

If you charge top dollar, you need to provide a top quality product, and I think aesthetics are included in that.
 
I guess the satin blades will be more like the Aston Martin and the Combat Grade is more like a blown, primered, '69 Hemi Charger. Assume that there is probably some bondo under there.
 
RANCD said:
It's nothing like that.

The coating comes off with use, it doesn't take much use to do it either so it is not unreasonable to expect they aren't in a terrible state under the coating. We're complaining about these blades being seemingly different to any other busses. My stripped TGLB looked nothing like that, even before I polished it. Some people were concerned about how it would effect the performance, and others such as myself are concerned about the aesthetics of a blade at the very top end of the production fixed blade price point.

Similarly if you bought an Aston Martin, it is reasonable to expect that it is immaculate under the paint, if I stripped my Aston Martin and it was covered in divots, deep lines and scratches I would not be happy at all and I would want an explanation from Aston on why it was like this.

If you charge top dollar, you need to provide a top quality product, and I think aesthetics are included in that.
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Busse has a great warrantee, so why worry about performance when you're covered.

If you strip an Aston Martin, You are likely going to be repainting it. Why not recoat the blade when the coating wears off?

Those marks are not on a Satin finish blade, so shoot for LEs, and skip the process of stripping and worrying about what is under it. Paying a bit more for less stress is a good trade off if you want a pretty finish.

I guess I'm only speaking for myself then. I didn't read any guarantee of aesthetics before purchasing my knives. I did read one regarding them being hard use performers. To me, the money spent is worth the performance and warrantee alone knowing I will always have a blade.

My whole point is to have realistic expectations based off claims that have been made. Don't expect things that were never promised or even hinted at by the manufacturer. Its up to you to determine if something is worth the cost or not and everyone is going to have a different opinion. Making assumptions and trying to base it on a standard that was never claimed is unfair to ask of any manufacturer.
 
I think he means that based on prior experience, it would appear that the company is taking shortcuts on aesthetic appeal and quality. I think the guarantee of aesthetics is inherently implied, if not stated outright, when you spend 400 bucks for a knife. Again, just an interpretation based on expectation---some may demand more and some less.
 
Reign said:
Busse has a great warrantee, so why worry about performance when you're covered.

If you strip an Aston Martin, You are likely going to be repainting it. Why not recoat the blade when the coating wears off?

Those marks are not on a Satin finish blade, so shoot for LEs, and skip the process of stripping and worrying about what is under it. Paying a bit more for less stress is a good trade off if you want a pretty finish.

I guess I'm only speaking for myself then. I didn't read any guarantee of aesthetics before purchasing my knives. I did read one regarding them being hard use performers. To me, the money spent is worth the performance and warrantee alone knowing I will always have a blade.

My whole point is to have realistic expectations based off claims that have been made. Don't expect things that were never promised or even hinted at by the manufacturer. Its up to you to determine if something is worth the cost or not and everyone is going to have a different opinion. Making assumptions and trying to base it on a standard that was never claimed is unfair to ask of any manufacturer.
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I think you are right on, here. Expectations seem to have not been met by some people in this thread who feel that an $X product ought to meet all their own expectations, realistic or not, proclaimed by the manufacturer or not.

It is especially remarkable that the product that DOES meet these expectations is dramatically more expensive, precisely because of the extra labor added, but some BF members feel that they deserve that value without paying the premium associated with it.

Good car analogy, too.:thumbup:
 
Ccc said:
It is especially remarkable that the product that DOES meet these expectations is dramatically more expensive, precisely because of the extra labor added, but some BF members feel that they deserve that value without paying the premium associated with it.
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Can you quote anyone's post where a member said that he deserved satin quality at the CG price? Or forget everyone else, can you quote me asking for that? No? Then please don't mischaracterize me, or what I did ask for.

The only expectation that many of us have expressed is that a stripped CG blade would look like all the stripped CG blades have looked like for the last 10 years. Is that so unreasonable? Is it so hard to notice that some of these SHEII blades have an appearance that has NEVER been seen before? That the deep pits are completely unique in our collective experience?

We used to know what we would get, in terms of appearance, with a CG blade from Busse. And we were OK with that, for the price paid.

But in this one case, the appearance is much worse, at the same price point as before.

It's really not hard to understand.
 
I think we all know that regardless of what it looks like, the blades are sound and backed by the best warranty in the buisness. Pride of ownership is a big deal to a lot of people, especially when you drop a substantial ammount of coin on something. Knife guys tend to have friends that are knife guys and most every knife guy has a favorite brand. When a guys buddy that is into Bark River's or whatever, asks to see his new Busse, the last thing he wants to hear is "You paid how much for this?!?!". Luckily we can still say "Yeah, but my knife can cut your knife in half. I have a hammer. Wanna try?". Haha!
 
resinguy said:
You don't need a thick blade for toughness. It is practically impossible to break even a 0.187" thick Busse knife.
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Yes, it is understandable:thumbup:. But I am just curious.
And my understanding from the replies especially when you quote one of Jerry’s statement ‘’Think of it as a pork chop without the extra fat trimmed off!’’ It tends me to think that the Combat Grades due to this extra fat are more indestructible compare to satin ones.
And of course this assumption can be only valid if you only consider same model’s of CG & CS.
 
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