Shipping ZT to Canada?

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Gideons

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Hello BF,

Recently I've had some perplexing reports on issues of ZT getting into Canada. Has any canadians recently received a ZT knife from the US if so, what model? Has any retailers shipped any ZT knives to canada recently? Any issues?

-Gideons
 
I'll jump on the bandwagon and ask for the same thing about Olamic. Would love to get a Halloween series, but not as a donation to some border officer.
 
You can ship, no prob, just do it right. Tighten the main pivot rock solid so the blade won't even open and declare item as only "cutlery" and nothing else!

If possible declare value at 50 bucks if it's a personal sale (Exchange, etc), but if you are buying from a retailer they probably won't be able to undervalue for obvious reasons.

New Graham Knives knows what they are doing in this respect, and they do not flat rate gouge on shipping like many others. It's 15 bucks to Canada via USPS first class mail, which is fair game. They've got ZT ;) I'm assuming it's ok for me to give them a shout out here ?

All that said and of course you still have some risk. The other option is to ship to a friend or relative in US and get it when you can, or a PO box if you can drive over and pick it up yourself.

DO NOT ship via FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc... Only USPS. I can't stress this enough, both for customs and to avoid erroneous brokerage fees and add on charges.
 
mt666tm said:
If possible declare value at 50 bucks if it's a personal sale (Exchange, etc), but if you are buying from a retailer they probably won't be able to undervalue for obvious reasons.
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I recommend US sellers on the exchange never undervalue their items when a border crossing is involved, unless they don't mind getting screwed. Dealers don't do it for obvious reasons so why the hell would private sellers?
 
The key is above. Make sure whoever you are getting it from tightens the pivot down as much as possible until the knife will barely open. This is because the border agents will try to gravity shake knives open. If they can then that is too dangerous for us in Canada so they'll do their job and protect us all by disposing of your ZT.
 
Why not just say what model you're after? If anyone on here knows where there's one in Canada they'll be able to tell you.
 
Danke42 said:
Why not just say what model you're after? If anyone on here knows where there's one in Canada they'll be able to tell you.
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I could, but I know for a fact that no retailer in Canada has it. I spoke with ZT & WW today, and for some reason their shipments are being blocked into Canada by customs. That is why I was asking, as I've spoken with a few other american retailers who haven't had issues shipping ZT's into canada, and the reasoning (from what I've heard) is not applying to other companies with very similar specifications, so not sure what exactly is going on there.
 
craytab said:
I recommend US sellers on the exchange never undervalue their items when a border crossing is involved, unless they don't mind getting screwed. Dealers don't do it for obvious reasons so why the hell would private sellers?
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To help a brother out. Personal cash sales on used items are not regulated as such, and you can even declare as a gift when you ship. Bogus return address to cover your arse if you are the tinfoil hat type. You got your $, the deal is done, all risk is on the buyer.

New item sales from commercial retailers are on retail record and subject to audit, therefore obvious reason that a retailer can not undervalue.

Granted some are squeamish and afraid of bending the rules in many walks of life, others are not. That's why there is a slow lane on the hwy. it is appreciated that the slow ones stay out of the fast lane.
 
We ship to Canada. It is typically between $25-$35 for Priority Mail and $15 for First Class. I actually agree with mt666tm when he says First Class is the way to go. The problem with first class is tracking ends at the boarder. If it does get stopped by customs it can take a good while. We have never had a First Class package get shipped back from customs but have had several priority items come back, and it takes a long damn time. We have also had them shipped back even when we tighten the pivot. I personally talked to the Customs agent on that one and she flat out said she did not care how tight it was, the customer would loosen the pivot. The problem is they call them "Flick Knives" and state they are not allowed. Still the odds of it coming back from what we have shipped have been around 3 in 500. Pretty good odds it will not be a problem.
 
Gideons said:
I could, but I know for a fact that no retailer in Canada has it. I spoke with ZT & WW today, and for some reason their shipments are being blocked into Canada by customs. That is why I was asking, as I've spoken with a few other american retailers who haven't had issues shipping ZT's into canada, and the reasoning (from what I've heard) is not applying to other companies with very similar specifications, so not sure what exactly is going on there.
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I have heard some rumblings about flippers being made illegal in Canada. (Assisted still legal though, wtf!?)

We need a group like kniferights USA in Canada. We have some dumbass laws.
 
mt666tm said:
To help a brother out. Personal cash sales on used items are not regulated as such, and you can even declare as a gift when you ship. Bogus return address to cover your arse if you are the tinfoil hat type. You got your $, the deal is done, all risk is on the buyer.

New item sales from commercial retailers are on retail record and subject to audit, therefore obvious reason that a retailer can not undervalue.

Granted some are squeamish and afraid of bending the rules in many walks of life, others are not. That's why there is a slow lane on the hwy. it is appreciated that the slow ones stay out of the fast lane.
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Paypal won't see it the way you describe. Being dishonest on a customs form is dumb. Don't do it. Wonder why people won't ship international on the exchange? This is it. Care to gamble your item and money away....go for it. I won't and I am warning others to not listen to such advice.
 
hhmoore said:
Not really; but that is a discussion for GBU, so I won't respond to it here.
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Yup, not at all actually. As a seller it is your responsibility to get the item to the buyer. If it doesn't get there the loss is on the seller. This is why many US sellers on the exchange won't ship internationally, much less lie on a customs form. There are some good buyers internationally here on the forums who will waive this responsibility but never take that risk on someone you don't know.

This should be in the GBU or the knife laws subforum.
 
I'll drop the argument on my end. If someone is willing to help that's great, if not then so be it.

I'm one of those good buyers that will waive my right and stick to my word as it is my bond ... but there may be that A-hole that goes for a PP dispute. It's a personal decision based on trust to deal with someone like me :) but that's why I'll just get you to ship to my bro in LA and I get it when I see him.

whitty said:
The problem with first class is tracking ends at the boarder...
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USPS First Class tracking number switches over to CanadaPost tracking once it is scanned in at customs, so all updates will continue on CP website. This includes all customs activity and any potential delay or refusal of entry, seizure, etc... but typically they blow through customs on the same day.

Just avoid peak times, like pre X-mas. Customs gets backlogged and it can take days for clearance. It's torture!
 
Lapedog said:
I have heard some rumblings about flippers being made illegal in Canada. (Assisted still legal though, wtf!?)

We need a group like kniferights USA in Canada. We have some dumbass laws.
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We seriously do, my good man. As of about a week ago, the CBSA describes flippers as illegal on their website. The interesting thing is that I have had a Reate Horizon C, Kizer Uprising, WE Blitz, and a Boker Hitman D2 halted at the boarder, and yet under these described laws, ALL of them made it through.

My M390 Contego, however, got rejected and is now somewhere in Florida...

The CBSA appears to be doing whatever the hell it wants... I don't even know. I DO know that stopping the importation of goods deemed legal by Canadian law is dumb as hell, especially when we only have ONE halfway decent online knife store inside the borders

Ugh! I don't like this
 
Just received a 0562ORBLK today, so far as I can tell this went through customs faster than any shipment I've had on anything.

I have heard about CBSA deeming flippers illegal, as well as assisted. It's been well known to many Canadian buyers and retailers that assisted openers are a gamble to order, especially through anyone other than a retailer. That's to say nothing about being caught carrying one.

My only advice, as it has worked very well this far for me, is to always be honest on your customs forms, crank down that pivot, always ship first class and if buying an assisted from a private seller, request that an assisted opening device be removed (bear in mind I only have experience with SpeedSafe on the assisted opening side of things. Don't know how other manufacturers go about their mechanisms).

As always, use your head and remember the risk
 
Honestly we should get all the Canadian members to get all their family members to write a letter and collect signatures for a petition. ENOUGH BS! The USA is finally getting rid of some of the archaic idiotic laws over there.

The problem is the Conservatives will never back it because knives are seen as with disdain as weapons of thugs. They want to be seen as tough on crime.
The liberals won't support it because they want to be seen as anti weapon. The law prevents scawey knives that open quickly! Fixed blades are DRAWN open. So basically these knives are illigal because a badguy carried them in a 1950s movie and they make a scarey noise.
 
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