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Shiro won’t flip open

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by JDRanger, Jun 25, 2020.

  1. JDRanger

    JDRanger

    373
    Aug 14, 2017
    Hi. I just got my first Shiro (Neon Zero Monkey Edge Frag Pattern) and I can’t get it to open with the small flipper.

    It just won’t budge. Ironically, if I try from the left side it opens 50% of the time.

    I’m surprised this expensive knife isn’t flawless.

    Any ideas? I loosened the pivot but it made no difference.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2020
  2. JRRsix7

    JRRsix7 Gold Member Gold Member

    341
    Jan 9, 2015
    My first guess would be that your putting too much pressure on the lock bar, based on what you're saying about the left side(left hand?)...
     
  3. Biochemdawg

    Biochemdawg Gold Member Gold Member

    412
    Aug 11, 2018
    So I had to open mine up and chamfer the detent hole. It was such a tiny slope to create, but such a drastic improvement. It was an easy fix but I am nit one to sweat warranty’s. At least now I can flip it open even when forcing lock bar against the blade. I had the exact same issue. There was zero chamfering one the detent hole and it was too much force to overcome.
     
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  4. JDRanger

    JDRanger

    373
    Aug 14, 2017
    I figured it out. My non-flipper fingers are pushing on the framelock. They naturally go there.

    I’m not very impressed.
     
  5. The Aflac Duck

    The Aflac Duck Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2014
    I had a flawed Shirogorov too, it happens. Like others said, it’s related to the detent. Wether it’s the hole that needs better geometry or your hand putting too much pressure, you’ll need to figure that out. Either way, expensive knives can be far from flawless.
     
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  6. george65

    george65

    586
    Dec 21, 2008
    my hation zero was the same way when new.. it broke in after about a week of seemingly constant flipping. it's perfect now
     
  7. evilgreg

    evilgreg Why so serious? Gold Member

    Dec 25, 2012
    I feel like I missed a memo or something. When did your username change?
     
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  8. The Aflac Duck

    The Aflac Duck Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2014
    When you weren’t looking:D:D:D
     
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  9. Ajack60

    Ajack60 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 21, 2013

    Yeah, the smaller ones aren’t meant for everyone. Had one, sold it. Decided to give the neon another shot, sold that one also. The bigger Shirogorov’s are what fits my hands better. No issues with finger placement on the 95, F3, or 111
     
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  10. Razor

    Razor Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 8, 1999
    My Neon Zero was real hard to flip. Kinda reason I sold it. My 95T flips perfect.
     
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  11. unwisefool

    unwisefool Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    Haha same, I was thinking "that avatar looks familiar..."
     
  12. JDRanger

    JDRanger

    373
    Aug 14, 2017
    Guys - thanks for the input.
     
  13. DCFree

    DCFree Gold Member Gold Member

    232
    May 24, 2019
    Oh my. I did extensive research on this issue when I got a neon zero and had a thread with some Shiro experts on it and sent the knife to a Shiro guru to be looked at. There was actually nothing wrong with the knife except that even the slightest pressure on the lock bar made it impossible to open and would bruise your thumb. I ultimately adapted, and if you hold your hand the right way (only touching the clip) it fires like a rocket. But one of the most finicky knives I have ever owned,
    and if you even breathe on the lock bar it’s a problem. That said, it’s one of my favorite knives ever (although unlike any other Shiro I have which require no accommodations) and I carry and use it all the time. It may not be for you, understandably, as adapting to a knife can be frustrating, but for what it is worth I stuck with it and the Shiro turned out to be one I won’t part with. Hope this helps.
     
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  14. JDRanger

    JDRanger

    373
    Aug 14, 2017
    Impressive response!
     
  15. Wharn

    Wharn Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 1, 2011
    Time to get a ZT0707 with a tuned detent system.
     
  16. mobilerd

    mobilerd

    562
    Jan 10, 2012
    Seems to be very common with framlock flippers. I have several ZT's that suffer the same issue, breath on the lock bar and " No flipping for you!". Manufacturers undoubtedly are aware of this issue and just keep cranking out these defective knives. Buyer beware because the makers of these knive will gladly sell you a defective product.
     
  17. RealVendetta

    RealVendetta

    266
    Sep 30, 2019
    I find it very odd that if you hold a firearm poorly and dont shoot to poa its user error but if you hold a knife poorly and it doesnt deploy its the knifes fault. Not coming at anyone personally just stating my thoughts out loud.
     
  18. soc_monki

    soc_monki Basic Member Basic Member

    Apr 5, 2019
    They're not defective, just keep your fingers off the lock bar. I remember so many people having trouble with the Bareknuckle when it came out, but I never had the problem. Hold the knife by the frame and clip and it flips with no issue. I've even put fingers on the lockbar and got it to flip. A light touch goes a long way.

    A double detent isn't the solution imo... That just makes knives more expensive, and more complicated. Or they can use different locks.
     
  19. mobilerd

    mobilerd

    562
    Jan 10, 2012
    I stand by my assertion that these knives are defective. How the hell can you defend a knife that won't work if you are TOUCHING PART OF THE FREAKIN HANDLE.
     
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  20. RealVendetta

    RealVendetta

    266
    Sep 30, 2019
    Guns dont work if you hold onto the slide. Its a mechanical device that requires you to not put an outside influence onto a portion of the knife to function properly. This is why other lock mechanisms exist.
     
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