Shirogorov's Warranty is void without COA

I understand your stance Mik, but most of us will not have the opportunity to go to a show and hope to get our knives repaired.
We need to depend on CS that won't cost us over $100 in shipping. What do we do if we misplaced our COA??
To repair our $900 knife without a COA can wind up costing 1/2 the purchase price of the knife.....if they'll even look at it.
Until the warranty is 100% clear, not they should or maybe, they're off my radar.
Joe

mikomonday said:
Man, what proof would even satisfy you? Sergey and the Shirogorov Workshop's Instagram already has pictures of his workshop in Russia with Russian people grinding blades, finishing handles, doing wire EDM on the parts. Theres a thread on USN that has detailed pictures of every step of the process in making the production and custom knives. You want a video on Russian TV where they took a camera to his workshop?


CFK has never even lied about their knives being made in China.

As for OilMan OilMan , Recon1 have rubbed some people the wrong way it seems and it's completely understandable to avoid Shirogorovs if the only way to service them reliably through the US is Recon1. (who you're having communication issues with) I still have had such a positive CS experience with them in person at shows/through Tom @ USN or email that I am confident buying their knives.
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mikomonday said:
Man, what proof would even satisfy you? Sergey and the Shirogorov Workshop's Instagram already has pictures of his workshop in Russia with Russian people grinding blades, finishing handles, doing wire EDM on the parts. Theres a thread on USN that has detailed pictures of every step of the process in making the production and custom knives. You want a video on Russian TV where they took a camera to his workshop?


CFK has never even lied about their knives being made in China.

As for OilMan OilMan , Recon1 have rubbed some people the wrong way it seems and it's completely understandable to avoid Shirogorovs if the only way to service them reliably through the US is Recon1. (who you're having communication issues with) I still have had such a positive CS experience with them in person at shows/through Tom @ USN or email that I am confident buying their knives.
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That is exactly the type of proof that would convince me. I don't understand much Russian but from what I did get the company started in the garage at his house until they made more money. I'll ask my roomate to translate the video when he gets home from work.

That's great! I am actually glad Shiros are made in Russia, I might have to get one now. So Shiro is a real Russian company making money in Russia. Good for them, it's not easy because in Russia you pay government tax and "roof" tax (mafia protection). Hopefully they don't get too successful that Putin decides he'd like to get into the knife business.
 
Lapedog said:
That is exactly the type of proof that would convince me. I don't understand much Russian but from what I did get the company started in the garage at his house until they made more money. I'll ask my roomate to translate the video when he gets home from work.

That's great! I am actually glad Shiros are made in Russia, I might have to get one now. So Shiro is a real Russian company making money in Russia. Good for them, it's not easy because in Russia you pay government tax and "roof" tax (mafia protection). Hopefully they don't get too successful that Putin decides he'd like to get into the knife business.
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Sergey and the team are really great to talk to if you ever get the chance to meet them in person at Blade etc. They understand the value that their knives go for but its unfortunately a result of the fact that they really don't do overseas sales. While by no means is Shirogorov the only maker putting in as much effort into their production knives, the fact that they do just means a limited number for production which has created inflation on the secondary market. They've been ramping up production but it doesn't help either that their only US retailer does a healthy markup on the knives (If you were in Russia you could get a F95T for around 650 from them)

Now the custom pieces are ridiculous but that's just because of market demand. I saw a prototype at the USN gathering break 10k in bidding...
 
mikomonday said:
Sergey and the team are really great to talk to if you ever get the chance to meet them in person at Blade etc. They understand the value that their knives go for but its unfortunately a result of the fact that they really don't do overseas sales. While by no means is Shirogorov the only maker putting in as much effort into their production knives, the fact that they do just means a limited number for production which has created inflation on the secondary market. They've been ramping up production but it doesn't help either that their only US retailer does a healthy markup on the knives (If you were in Russia you could get a F95T for around 650 from them)

Now the custom pieces are ridiculous but that's just because of market demand. I saw a prototype at the USN gathering break 10k in bidding...
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^ Could you possibly post a picture or two?

Thanks for taking the time to post your other helpful information here. :thumbsup:
 
I can respect peoples opinions of Shiro and their warranty.
I just know when I talked to Tom at The Gathering it completely alleviated any doubts, fears, apprehensions I had about Shirogorov.
I have always liked the aesthetics and function of their knives and now Shirorgorov as a company is just as appealing.
Unless somebody here has irrefutable truth otherwise about knives being made in China I will continue to believe in what Shirogorov has said about their knife making practices.
Curious has anybody here directly asked Shirogorov if any of their parts or milling are done in China? I know I haven't. Like to know what they say.
I will say that I am happy that this has not turned into a thread bashing session, yet. Thank you all that have posted constructively.
 
I understand your stance FG, but look at this from the point of the OP.
No warranty service, or any kind of service, period.
That alone will make quite a few potential buyers hesitate. Myself included.
I'd love to see this get cleared up, 100%, by someone who won't say.....they 'should' take care of you. Or, they probably will take care of you.
We aren't talking $100 knives after all.
Joe
 
Lapedog said:
That is exactly the type of proof that would convince me. I don't understand much Russian but from what I did get the company started in the garage at his house until they made more money. I'll ask my roomate to translate the video when he gets home from work.

That's great! I am actually glad Shiros are made in Russia, I might have to get one now. So Shiro is a real Russian company making money in Russia. Good for them, it's not easy because in Russia you pay government tax and "roof" tax (mafia protection). Hopefully they don't get too successful that Putin decides he'd like to get into the knife business.
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So that's it? You're just gonna eat crow now, despite the fact that you've been trolling Shirogorov throughout the entire forum?

How about an apology for acting like a condescending blow hard?
 
Blues Bender said:
So that's it? You're just gonna eat crow now, despite the fact that you've been trolling Shirogorov throughout the entire forum?

How about an apology for acting like a condescending blow hard?
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Sure, but I wasn't really trolling Shiro. I was saying every time I have no proof either way for Shiro, but heard from the same source that told me about Kevin John doing CKF. The CkF thing turned out to be true but so I thought he might be right anout Shiro too.

However with proof now the other way I have no problem admitting that I was wrong. I'm happy to see businesses doing well in Russia.

I'm sorry if I misled anyone, that's why I wanted to get some proof one way or another.

I hardly think I was acting like a condencending blow hard by saying "this is what I heard, I'd like to see some proof one way or another". Even Quartermaster was just people posting "I heard its not made in USA" until proof was posted. I didn't think the first person to tell me they thought Quartermaster was made in China was trying to troll anyone; just trying to get to the bottom of things.

Sorry to anyone who felt condescended.
 
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palonej said:
I understand your stance FG, but look at this from the point of the OP.
No warranty service, or any kind of service, period.
That alone will make quite a few potential buyers hesitate. Myself included.
I'd love to see this get cleared up, 100%, by someone who won't say.....they 'should' take care of you. Or, they probably will take care of you.
We aren't talking $100 knives after all.
Joe
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Joe on what I have highlighted above I believe that this is incorrect.
When I talked directly to Tom he said that they would provide warranty work and service for any of their knives regardless of COA card or not. (excluding counterfeits of course)
That is if the warranty work is something on the knife that is a failure do to the manufacturing/materials etc of the knife and not misuse/abuse.
I also believe that routine maintenance or cosmetic issues would be up to the owner as well to cover expenses and shipping.
The catch is that if it is bought from Recon 1 they will take care of the shipping otherwise it is on the owner to get the knife to Russia. And yes I have shipped knives to Russia and its nerve wracking.
Tom said that if you do need to ship the knife that he has very specific instructions for shipping the knife and only once that he can recall has a knife not arrived. (yes it is appx $50 to ship appropriately)
It would be nice if Recon 1 would handle all their shipping for Shiro's but can see why they wouldn't if you did not buy from them.

As to the rest of your post I agree. I would like to see an official rep from the company say something about this and not just second hand info.
I am going to have to look more deeply on what it says on the USN and see if there is something their that might be helpful.
 
KELAMA said:
^ Could you possibly post a picture or two?

Thanks for taking the time to post your other helpful information here. :thumbsup:
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Paid for in cash.

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Blues Bender said:
I also find it strange that 3/4 phone numbers on the list are (847) area code, which are very local to me. Are there that many knife nuts in my areao_O:rolleyes:
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Maybe you sleep walked to one local payphone after another and made bids all night?
 
KELAMA said:
Thank you for posting this, MM! :thumbsup:

Talk about some high roller's! :cool: I wish I had that kind of cash, to be randomly throwing around on knives.
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The worst part is someone in Russia offered my friend 18k the same night after winning haha....He declined.

At the USN gathering, most makers are only taking cash unfortunately. A lot of people walking around with fat bank envelopes lol
 
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I have some more info about being made in China and warranty.
Unfortunately dont have the time to post it all right now.
Later this afternoon should be able to get it posted.
MM weren't they amazing.
Cheers
 
They were, even though the technobamboo is a front flipper the action was just amazing. Only thing is that the Custom Division and Production knives are so good for a fraction of the price that at least in my financial situation right now I can't find a reason to bid for one. Although the more I talk to Shirogov collectors the more I found out that even the custom knives for the insane auction prices they are fetching they are not especially bad investments...

Someone sold one of the Vegas Technobamboos in the exchange right here on bladeforums for 17k in 2 days...
 
According to Shirogorov whom I spoke to directly this is what they said.
All of their knives are covered under warranty regardless of where you purchased it or if you have a COA card.
Yes you will have to ship the knife yourself to Russia if it was not purchased at Recon 1. Now I am not sure if Recon 1 will still ship if you have a COA and purchased the knife on the secondary market.
Their is absolutely no work done in China for Shirgorov knives.
If you want more detailed info PM or email and we can talk.

Boy talk about a good investment. Buy a toy and make 17k. Not too shabby.
 
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