Shooting in Montreal.

Eating assembles people.
But there is something to it- "If I die, Oh Lord, please let it not be with my mouth full of SOS from the school cafeteria."



munk
 
One student dead , one gunman dead , nineteen wounded , some critically .
Bad enough to be sure . It is on the tail end of four other incidents in schools over fifteen years starting with fourteen women shot dead .

While Montreal is a Major Canadian city (The largest at one time.) it has a small town community feel to it . Heck Canada has a nation wide broadcast television station . This all helps to unify the different cultures without their losing their indivduality .

It also tends to unify us when tragedy occurs . In this case the unification may be fired up by a stirring up of the gun debate by unscrupulous (and otherwise) politicians .
 
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Here is a picture of the shooter (taken from his web page) - What a LOSER.

n2s
 
This has gotta be a lie, as Canada has strict gun control laws; which, as we all know, prevents these kind of incidences. :rolleyes:
 
That's a real shame about all of this:( Prayers for all of those involved. Looked like yet another goth/vamp/uh-i'm-so-filled-with-teenaged-angst-in-my-mid-twenties idiot.
I don't blame how he was dressed or who he is associated with. 99% of these kids are just playing dress up and trying to stand out in a world that increasingly ignores them. A little weird and dark for my tastes. However, kids will be kids. But a grown man at 25 acting this way? This is so sad and horrible. why do that to innocent people? this guy needed to get help or be put down well before this came to a boil. Heartbreaking:(

Once upon a time in the distant past that was the year 2000 (everything that happened before 9/11 seems so far away), there was a bomb scare called in at Murray State University in quiet little Murray, Kentucky. It seems that the university received a tip that there were a number of home made explosives planted in the lower levels of some of the major buildings on campus. The reason given was that the planter of said bombs did not agree with the results of the Student Government Association elections:eek: Think about it, SGA. That's it. Nothing ground breaking, as we all know that most of the time university SGA is just a place for the future politicians of America to hone their skills:rolleyes: This prompted an evacuation for every person on campus. Luckily, I had a friend with a house a couple of blocks off campus. Several of us piled up in there for a few days.
Naturally, this thing was a hoax. They caught the idiot. However, all he received was a swift boot out of the university and a $500 fine:eek: ! Could you imagine that today? Furthermore, this was the same school that back in 1998 had a firebombing where one student torched the room of another...except if i'm not mistaken, he KILLED the WRONG person. What really gets me is that if this weirdo could get so bent out of shape about the SGA elections...what would happen if he turn his ear toward terrorist hate-speech? What if he could have actually gotten his hands on some stuff that goes BOOM? Keep in mind that Murray is just 40 miles away from Pahduka, KY. The place where the quasi-string of highschool shootings started in the 90's.

Universities are crazy places with some crazy people both walking the halls as well as running the place.
Once again, my most heartfelt prayers for all of those involved.

Jake
 
I'm sure to another Jackass, he'd be considered very attractive.

Good thing that wasn't an HI in his hand.


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I guess he 'showed' us....what, exactly, does killing unarmed strangers have to do with anything?



munk
 
Yup, it's somewhat less awful than originally reported. One shooter, who managed to kill one and injure 19 before being shot himself by the Quebec police. Lessons learned from the shooting 17 years ago got the police into the building within 4 minutes, cornering the guy. That saved lives, as did different measures to get the emergency medical staff to the wounded ASAP.

The shooter's blog includes such wonderful lines as "Life is like a video game ... you gotta die sometime." Also shows him posing with a Beretta semi-auto rifle, as shown in an earlier post, and with an imaginatively shaped bowie. Yes, good thing it wasn't an HI knife. God help us if it were a Cherokee Rose, or a Kobra.
 
This is another one of those random incidents. Other than letting ordinary people carry handguns I don't think there is much that can be done to discourage this sad carnage.

The incident also suggests that gun control is ineffective. Gun control has done two things in Canada. 1) It has created a huge black market for illegal guns coming in from all over the world. Rhumors say that the nut was shooting people with an automatic. Automatics are illegal in Canada. Indeed most of the killing in the cities are done with illegal guns. 2) Little is said for the defenceless people in the rural areas of Canada being attacked and killed by bears. There have been more bear fatalities in the past year than the fatalities at the college shooting. One big difference here is media coverage. Next to nothing is reported about the people attacked and killed by wildlife, but when the shootings occurred, the media reports have been overwhelming.

The incident should be a wake-up call for Canadians that gun control is very ineffective, and costs lives.
 
Yes, I've heard of the bear fatalities, including Black Bear.
Never gets into our american papers, or if so, buried way back as a isolated, unconnected event.

I believe Cougar attacks are also up in BC.

munk
 
DRM and Bufford, I addressed your point back in post 14. The different gun laws in Columbine didn't ensure that the shooters there were taken down by students firing their own guns in self defence. The kids weren't allowed to take guns to school ... even in the USA.

I frankly can't imagine any school or university promoting weapon carrying by students - things like knife-length restrictions show that exactly the opposite happens. As Munk replied, perhaps an option is arming some teachers/professors.

Again, owning a semi-auto rifle is legal and relatively easy in Canada, as is owning most other long guns. It's handguns, full-auto, and easily converted to full-auto that are restricted. Guns which have been designed with the primary purpose of efficiently killing people, rather than killing game. They're not ridiculous about the fine lines either - as someone said on the other thread, you can readily by milsurp bolt action rifles, even though their original intention was to take down men, rather than moose.

I've a perfect right to own a rifle or shotgun, keeping it locked up in my home when I'm not using it. No, I can't carry a handgun with me for bear protection while on a hike, even here in New Brunswick where lots of trophy black bears are shot every year. If I do go where there's a serious and present risk, prolly I can carry a rifle. I don't know the rules there, but I do know that guides sometimes do.
 
Hand guns are only restricted to those legally allowed to use them . You have to have a reason for wanting it which is simple target shooting . It is not to say that the procedures used to screen individuals is not daunting . It is much less daunting for those who have gone through it once and are only looking to renew/update permits . I think it also helps to weed out those who want them for some kind of macho titillation .(Sp)
 
I saw that picture of that goober on CNN holding that crap knife. Did he get that thing from a vending machine in Chinatown? Is that a painting of a platypus on the side of the blade? Ah the fearsome platypus, a fitting symbol for this douchebag.

He couldn't get laid so he had to try to take it out on a bunch of other people. It's a good thing that he's such a loser that he couldn't even do that right, he only managed to kill one person. "Angel of Death" he called himself. More like "Tinkerbell Platypus". Good riddance.

The worst thing is, you know somebody will try to push through some anti-gun or anti knife-laws based on this.
 
I think it also helps to weed out those who want them for some kind of macho titillation .(Sp Kevin

Guns which have been designed with the primary purpose of efficiently killing people, rather than killing game. They're not ridiculous about the fine lines either - as someone said on the other thread, you can readily by milsurp bolt action rifles, even though their original intention was to take down men, rather than moose. Tom Fetter

Addressing the first quote, Kevin, our Government is not in the business of weeding out purchases based upon some 'macho titillatioin. There are many SOF and Ninja wanna-be's who do not go around shooting up malls or schools; if they want to dress up and look silly it's fine with me. We cannot deduce intent on clothing, political party, or breakfast food.

As for the second quote, most sporting rifles are either derrived from martial one or serve duo purpose. The 'sporting usefullness' clause is not in our Bill or Rights; Americans carry weapons that are designed to kill people and upsurp governments.
What is humorous, is that the Enfield so common in Canada is a superb military bolt, with the fastest rate of cyclic fire. Any half skilled fool could do as much damage with one of those as with a semi auto; you have to realign sights after each shot, so the advantage of semi auto is not that great, though it does exist.

As someonelse said, the 303 is a great defense and hunting round

munk
 
Munk, I've no problem with guys dressing up in dealers-of-death costumes either, though I'd prefer they kept their firearm-waving in such contexts to paintball guns.

You're right on the money, reminding me of the shared geneology of military and sporting rifles. Up to a certian stage of development, either would work admirably for a hunter or a militia guy.

For me, the break comes when we start talking full-auto rates of fire. Unless you're an elephant ivory poacher, full-auto isn't your preferred hunting tool. Such guns were really optimized for modern person-on-person combat only. I don't remember folks here putting them anywhere near the top of the list for home protection - pride of place has gone, I thought, to pump or semi-auto shotguns. I can own those today under Canada's laws. Hell, I can own most full-auto guns today in Canada (no 50 calibres), if I'm willing to jump through enough and high enough hoops.

As to registering one's guns ... I register my car. I've no problem with the police knowing the make/model and serial # of my vehicle ... and have no more trouble with them knowing what firearms I might own. The car's more likely to kill someone anyhow.

t.
 
TomFetter said:
The car's more likely to kill someone anyhow.

t.
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The car is also more likely to be tracked down, identified, or left at the scene. Why pay for a service that will gain us next to nothing?


n2s
 
Well, as I've said before, Canada's Chiefs of Police have issued a number of statements supporting our long-gun registry.

When an officer goes on a domestic dispute call, they act as if there might be weapons present. Of course. But the Police Chiefs maintain that their officers are safer if as well as that, they actually know when there are firearms in the house.

Obviously, criminals won't be registering their guns. But a woman's more likely to be shot by her husband than by a gangster. True, in Canada at least.
 
I don't think poachers kill Elephants with AK-47's...unless there are a lot of extra poachers around and the boss just wants to cull his mob.

Shooting a elephant with a full auto small arm would seem suicide to me.

A 50 Browning might do it, but I'd want to be at least 1000 yards away from the elephant when I started shooting.


I've long thought we in the States will be lucky if we can hold the line at high cap semi auto.

munk
 
Actually, I think the poachers use AKs just because they've got them - pretty thick on the ground over there. Likely something bigger would be better.
 
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