Should I buy the Manix or save for a large Sebenza?

sharpmaker said:
I will buy a sebenza and am not mentally challanged. I will buy a sebe one day.

If you're so dead set on the sebenza, why did you start this thread? Why is the general opinion that the Manix is a great knife upsetting you? Did you just want assurance that your money would be well spent on a sebenza?

"If my answers frighten you, then you should cease asking scary questions."
 
sharpmaker said:
excuse me, i this is my post:

What if Sebenza makes a G10handle, bigger, thikker handle, blade? that u can open up- clean up, and close?

My question is:

Whoooooooooooo is better by design?
Sorry , if it wiggles, then its not perfect. Seems to me that the manix is only good because of it being bigger.

sorry guys but the manix has ben here for how long?
The sebenza has been here for how long?

What are the bad things about the sebe? What r the bad things about the Manix?

u make me apreciate the sebenza more


Where did that come from??? And how does that fit with post #30? This has some signs of schizophrenia and I don't mean this as an insult. Or there are two people posting under the same name?
 
u want the truth,
SAl and Chriss agr both great men.
They have great companiez with high ethikz that I admire.
I think that the Manix is a great knife but I think that Spyderco fans are out of order latly.

They are becoming fanatikz
 
STR said:
Check out the Damascus ones with the wood inlays and the Ti coloring.

I just checked out the price, I thought they were still ~$300, they are almost $400 now, wow, I really don't understand that with the current high end production knives.

Back when you had the Sebenza compared to the Spyerco Endura and Cold Steel Voyager I can see people really putting the Sebenza into a much higher ballpark and there was no production comparison, the Sebenza really outperforms a sabre ground AUS-8A blade with a Zytel handle and integral clip.

But now you have high end production blades like the Manix and the Sebenza is no longer a step above, in fact it has fallen behind as the production companies have surged ahead constantly innovating. Lots of other offerings besides the Manix of course like the Axis Benchmades in M2, etc. .

-Cliff
 
Sharpmaker's writing reminds me of how Ali G speaks on his HBO comedy.
 
I got to handle both the Manix and the Classic Sebenza at the ECCKS. This thread has inspired me to buy a Manix instead of a sebenza.
 
Now we are really getting carried away here.

The Sebenza has torque issues? I have never had a Sebenza come unlocked on me during hard use-once again,the locks are fitted properly and lock up tight.

The titanium slabs on the Sebenza are stiffer that the G-10 and liners on the Manix.

The Rc on the Manix is a few points higher,big deal.One must not forget that it was Chris Reeve who worked with Crucible on the developement of the steel.They actually recommended the hardness at which they(who make it) believe it will work best and at which Chris Reeve uses.

I would rather have an edge roll than chip.Cliff,have you actually used a Sebbie in S30v or are you just speculating on its edge holding and cutting ability based on its hardness and blade grind?

Spyderco broke a Sebenza,really-at what poundage did it break? Did they make the details of the results public? If not then that proves nothing.

Fact is that the Sebenza is strong enough for any task someone should be doing with a folder.This makes arguments for a stronger folder a mute point.The fit and finish is simply better than almost any other production folder and every one that leaves the shop is perfect.And it is made out of the finest materials avaliable.

Is it worth the price? IMO yes.

Cant afford it? Fine,buy a Manix or 710 but don't make the mistake of buying three or four $100 class production folders instead of one Sebenza.This is comming from a guy who used to collect Spydercos ,Benchmades and Microtechs.

The statement made that the Sebenza is below the manix and other medium range production pieces in Quality and Use is truly the most rediculous thing I have herd in a long time-go figure?????????
 
OwenM said:
Where did that come from? Reading this thread is the first time I've seen statements that the blade play is part of the design, and I don't believe it for a second.
If it has blade play it's because it is poorly fit.
I sent my Manix back to Spyderco because of play. They didn't redesign it, or "unengineer" it. They fixed it ;)


Came from Sal Glesser:

"The strongest type of engineering on a lockback that we have found, will have a very slight amount of vertical play. Shouldn't be a problem. There are other ways to engineer the lock on a lockback, but we've have not found them to be as reliable or strong as the way we do it."

Here is the thread:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176728&highlight=lockback
 
Guys, Guys!

I really think you've been talking with Vinny again...The word "perfect" comes to mind.



Thomas Zinn
 
I've been trying to figure out an equation for crazy whacko type posts.
I think I've got it.

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sharpmaker said:
u want the truth,
SAl and Chriss agr both great men.
They have great companiez with high ethikz that I admire.
I think that the Manix is a great knife but I think that Spyderco fans are out of order latly.

They are becoming fanatikz

I agree, itz probably vinny again.
 
Back to the original question, for the high dollar production and custom pieces, try this. I am trying to cut back to only buying one knife per month, but, I want to buy a Strider SNG and SMF, and a Sebenza. Well, I am setting aside ten dollars per pay for all three of these knives. I'm still buying my production folders, although I've cut down my want list drastically, and not as much catches my eye as did before. If you can afford to hold off for a little while, and have enough restraint to not go out on an impulse buy, then budget for that EXPENSIVE knife. BTW, my Striders will be users, not sure about my Sebenza.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
That style of really abbreviated net banter and total lack of grammer is really common to a lot of people who do a lot of irc and other forms of chatting, it is almost universal to those who text message on phones and such a lot. It doesn't indicate anything beyond lack of ability to touch type.

It does indicate a lack of respect for their language.
 
sharpmaker said:
u want the truth,
SAl and Chriss agr both great men.
They have great companiez with high ethikz that I admire.
I think that the Manix is a great knife but I think that Spyderco fans are out of order latly.

They are becoming fanatikz

Methinks you need a sound thrashing.
What is it with all the clueless dolts coming out of the woodwork lately.
 
gorlank said:
What is it with all the clueless dolts coming out of the woodwork lately.

It's just one clueless dolt registering under different nicknames and getting banned over and over again.
 
wire eddge said:
The Sebenza has torque issues? I have never had a Sebenza come unlocked on me during hard use-once again,the locks are fitted properly and lock up tight.

Doesn't matter on the latter point, torques can cause the liner to move and thus unlock. I have done it with lots of integrals and it has been reported with Sebenza's on the forum. It is simply a consequence of how torques can load an integral in the required vector to unlock it. You can also jam the lock under high pressure for the exact same reason.

The Rc on the Manix is a few points higher,big deal.One must not forget that it was Chris Reeve who worked with Crucible on the developement of the steel.They actually recommended the hardness at which they(who make it) believe it will work best and at which Chris Reeve uses.

Lots of other people have done their own R&D and have come to different conclusions. Reeve refused to make public any testing that they have done, so by your own logic then that is all meaningless. Of course feel free to ignore the consequences of your own presuppositions, would not want you to have to be consistent.

have you actually used a Sebbie in S30v or are you just speculating on its edge holding and cutting ability based on its hardness and blade grind?
No, but I have used a Green Beret in S30V from Reeve, it has low flexibility, toughness and edge retention, it is the worst performance from S30V I have seen, and in fact is pretty low for steels in general.

And yes, you can extrapolate on edge retention from hardness as strength and hardness are highly correlated, Goddard showed this years ago noting significant differences with just one HRC point.

Johnson and Swaim explored it in detail on rec.knives, comparing simply 1095 blades to many others and the 1095 ones had much greater edge retention due to the higher hardness.

Wilson has looked at it extensively also, including dropping HRC points on really high wear resistant steels like S90V and watching the edge retention take a dive due to rolling.


Spyderco broke a Sebenza,really-at what poundage did it break? Did they make the details of the results public?
They noted it didn't exceed the high standard they had at the time, which has been exceeded by their folders now, a pretty simple deduction thus follows. Strength though isn't the main issue, it is torque security which is the real problem with integrals.

Fact is that the Sebenza is strong enough for any task someone should be doing with a folder.This makes arguments for a stronger folder a mute point.
Again, there are more secure and stronger locks, and much more durable blades. This means those knives have a wider scope of work than a Sebenza, just because you can't do something with a Sebenza doesn't mean you should not do it with any folding knife.

That is a ridiculus arguement. There are lots of things I would not do with the Mel Sorg custom fixed blade I have, made from D2 at 62 HRC with really slim stock and a full height grind. Does this mean no fixed blade should to them? Hardly.

The fit and finish is simply better than almost any other production folder and every one that leaves the shop is perfect.And it is made out of the finest materials avaliable.
All of those are trivially nonsense. I have seen lots of production blades which have the same level of fit and finish, claiming perfection %100 percent of the time means none are returned, and you can find such complaints here, and as for finest materials, lots of knives are made from Ti and S30V.

You can of course state it has a high level of fit and finish and QC, but perfection, and finest materials, are just gross exaggerations. There was even a public admission of overtightened thumb studs which caused blades to crack awhile ago, this sort of blows a huge hole in the %100 perfection arguement.

-Cliff
 
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