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Should I let them go?
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glockman99
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Unless your wife is a total drooling retard, and your daughter is hooked up to more than a couple IV's, a respirator, and a heart monitor, let 'em go on vacation to Greece...After-all, they AREN'T coming to America.
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...Edited 'cause I just now noticed that I can't spell worth a darn..
....Edited 'cause I just now noticed that I can't spell worth a darn.
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LET?
I think your error is in that word right there. I suggest you suggest or recommend or plead or advise...
Maybe it's your attitude or just a poor choice of words, but I think the word "Let" is what's causing your problems, IMHO. (It IS the 21st Century after all.)
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I think your error is in that word right there. I suggest you suggest or recommend or plead or advise...
Maybe it's your attitude or just a poor choice of words, but I think the word "Let" is what's causing your problems, IMHO. (It IS the 21st Century after all.)
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As far as I'm concerned, this is the only good advice in this thread. Every guy I know who's wife started vacationing without him ended up divorced. If you care about your family, go with them.
Edited to add-Aren't yhou Europeans supposed to get more vacation time than us overworked Americans anyway?
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My personal opinion is it all depends on your wife.
Is your wife the kind of person who is very strong willed and capable? Is she smart and able to handle herself well with people? Specifically, troublemakers? Is she independent and able to meet unexpected challenges well, with good on the spot thinking? These things are more important than about anything else IMO. If she's not this kind of person, then you should be concerned. Many women are more capable in unusual circumastances than men are.
Is your wife the kind of person who is very strong willed and capable? Is she smart and able to handle herself well with people? Specifically, troublemakers? Is she independent and able to meet unexpected challenges well, with good on the spot thinking? These things are more important than about anything else IMO. If she's not this kind of person, then you should be concerned. Many women are more capable in unusual circumastances than men are.
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I disagree. I have to ask my wife if she'll LET me do certain things, and it's a two way road. Especially for the big things.fulloflead said:
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Walking Man said:
Yes, if it's a two-way road. My G.F. (of 11 years) and I don't ask each other's permission for anything, but we do respect each other enough to keep each other informed and to value each other's feelings and input.
Frankly, I can't imagine any self-respecting adult on the planet intentionally being in a relationship where they want/have to ask permission to do things all the time. But then, I'm an American. I guess I just love Freedom.
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Larry S. said:
Boy, I'd love to be there - at a safe distance - when you guys explain that line of thought to MY wife!
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fulloflead said:Frankly, I can't imagine any self-respecting adult on the planet intentionally being in a relationship where they want/have to ask permission to do things all the time. But then, I'm an American. I guess I just love Freedom.
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This thread is not about asking permision all the time and you know it. As for your last comment ... yeah, sure you do, don't we all?
Gigante, do as you feel.
I'd say go with them if your can. If your wife really wants to go there (even though Greece ain't that great in winter) she will appreciate it more than just letting her go with your daughter. A vacation beat work anytime.
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Gigante's not talking about "letting" his wife go to Greece. He's talking about letting his daughter go to Greece. I think both parents should be in agreement when you're talking about taking a 3 year old away from home to a foreign country.
Knowing the full circumstances of the trip would help. Has your wife been to Greece? Does she speak the language? Who is she travelling with?
The ideal situation would be to go with her. But if Gigante feels so strongly about it (or if the roles were reversed) I'd support his decision.
Knowing the full circumstances of the trip would help. Has your wife been to Greece? Does she speak the language? Who is she travelling with?
The ideal situation would be to go with her. But if Gigante feels so strongly about it (or if the roles were reversed) I'd support his decision.
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LMAO, Swedish women are more independent than American women, it seems
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I think that European women, at least, western European women, may be more independent "as a whole" than American women. Or, at least, society allows them to be so... (I've never been to eastern Europe, so I can't speak for that area's general mentality). That IS an interesting thought, though - the general societal consciousness about the independence of women within said society. Compare Swedish women's purported outlook to say, a Syrian or Iranian woman's lifestyle... vastly different freedom of choice, I don't doubt... One basically has freedom of self-determination, the other probably desires it strongly, all the more so, because she can't have it...
And, I don't think that you're being possessive by wondering this, Gigante. It is a responsible and caring husband who is concerned about the safety and well-being of his wife and child.
So, on to my .$02 on the original question... take a vacation with your wife and daughter! Even if it's "not possible" - you only live once, and work just isn't that important, in the grand scheme of things! Live on the wild side for a bit!! :thumbup:
And, if it's really, really not possible - meaning, you'll lose your house and end up on the streets, etc.; well, rotten
A vacation would be fun. But, sometimes work must come before play, in order to take care of life's necessities...But, remember, not all necessities are physical in nature... if money really isn't a concern, then look at your wife's needs - does she need a chance for some time to herself and an opportunity to explore on her own, as the responsible, decision-making adult? Or, does she need some good time with her husband and her daughter? And, what do YOU want to do? Those are the questions I suggest you consider...
Let us know what you decide, if you don't mind
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Two things.
Let her go as she will be safe. Greece is geared up to the tourist trade.
Unless you are selling fruit and veg on a market stall and only you can do it, get yourself a quad band mobile phone and a laptop computer and go with her!
I am a Brit in Canada and my government has a useful website for such information.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front...7029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618386820
The important bits;
SUMMARY
You should maintain at least the same level of personal security awareness in Greece as in the UK.
Greece shares with the rest of Europe a threat from terrorism. Attacks could be indiscriminate and against civilian targets, as demonstrated by serious bomb attacks on trains in Spain in March 2004.
The Greek government has put in place measures to combat terrorism and has had notable success against the main Greek groups but a potential threat remains.
You should maintain high standards of public behaviour in Greece: there are heavy fines and even prison sentences for indecent behaviour.
But most visits to Greece are trouble-free.
We strongly recommend that you obtain comprehensive travel and medical insurance before travelling.
SAFETY AND SECURITY
Terrorism
Greece shares with the rest of Europe a threat from terrorism. Attacks could be indiscriminate and against civilian targets, as demonstrated by serious bomb attacks on trains in Spain in March 2004. Visitors to Greece should maintain at least the same level of personal security awareness as in the UK.
There has been a history of serious domestic terrorism in Greece - in June 2000 the Defence Attaché at the British Embassy in Athens was murdered. The group responsible for this attack and a series of others over the years against Greek and US citizens - November 17 - was arrested and brought to trial as a result of a major breakthrough by the Greek authorities in June 2002. Fifteen members of the group, including four accused of murdering the Defence Attaché, received substantial prison sentences in December 2003.
Domestic anarchist groups remain active. So far their attacks, which often involve improvised incendiary explosive devices such as gas canister bombs, have primarily been directed against the Greek State, Greek institutions and commercial and diplomatic interests. On 29 October 2004, a small roadside bomb exploded in central Athens, apparently targeted at a passing police convoy. There were no injuries and no damage to the convoy.
In an incident in Athens in the early morning of 31 December 2004, the police guard stationed outside the house of the British Military Attaché was shot and killed. The Greek police are investigating. This incident shares characteristics with some past domestic terrorist attacks.
In view of the most recent attack and the history of domestic terrorism in Greece (two incidents in 2004 targeted UK commercial interests), high profile British interests in Greece should review their security measures and remain vigilant. It should be noted that Greek domestic terrorist groups have not attacked British tourists and tourist areas in Greece.
For further advice please see Security and General Tips and Risk of Terrorism when Travelling Overseas.
Crime
Most visits to Greece are trouble-free, but you should be aware that the tourist season attracts an increase in incidents of theft of wallets, handbags etc. particularly in areas and events where crowds gather. You should leave valuables in safe custody at your hotel or apartment.
Personal attacks, including sexual assaults and rape, are infrequent. However there have been incidents of sexual assault and rape on some Greek Islands. You are therefore advised to maintain at least the same level of personal security awareness as in the UK. We strongly advise lone visitors, in particular, never to accept lifts from strangers or passing acquaintances at any time.
LOCAL LAWS AND CUSTOMS
Greek people are renowned for their hospitality. The Greek police are used to dealing with large numbers of foreign tourists, especially on the islands and do so in a low-key way.
Indecent behaviour, including mooning, is not tolerated and the police have made clear that they will not hesitate to arrest. The courts are imposing heavy fines or prison sentences on people behaving indecently.
You should not become involved with drugs of any kind. Possession of even small quantities can lead to long terms of imprisonment.
Driving any vehicle whilst over the legal drinking limit is heavily penalised and can result in stiff fines and/or imprisonment.
If you are seeking employment in bars or night clubs, you are required to have a health certificate/licence issued by the local authorities to work in such establishments. Failure to have such a certificate is punishable by a fine and or imprisonment.
Do not take photographs or make notes near military or official installations. Seek permission before photographing individuals.
In common with many countries there is a requirement in Greece to be able to identify yourself. A passport or document with a photograph on it should be carried at all times.
In order to comply with Greek law, you should ensure that you obtain a receipt for goods purchased. Note that the purchase of pirate CDs in Greece can result in imprisonment.
Possession of an offensive weapon is an offence in Greece, therefore you are advised not to purchase any offensive weapons whilst on holiday, including small-scale weapons such as knuckledusters. There have been an increasing number of arrests and prosecutions of British nationals in Greece this year as a result of possession of such weapons.
Let her go as she will be safe. Greece is geared up to the tourist trade.
Unless you are selling fruit and veg on a market stall and only you can do it, get yourself a quad band mobile phone and a laptop computer and go with her!
I am a Brit in Canada and my government has a useful website for such information.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front...7029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618386820
The important bits;
SUMMARY
You should maintain at least the same level of personal security awareness in Greece as in the UK.
Greece shares with the rest of Europe a threat from terrorism. Attacks could be indiscriminate and against civilian targets, as demonstrated by serious bomb attacks on trains in Spain in March 2004.
The Greek government has put in place measures to combat terrorism and has had notable success against the main Greek groups but a potential threat remains.
You should maintain high standards of public behaviour in Greece: there are heavy fines and even prison sentences for indecent behaviour.
But most visits to Greece are trouble-free.
We strongly recommend that you obtain comprehensive travel and medical insurance before travelling.
SAFETY AND SECURITY
Terrorism
Greece shares with the rest of Europe a threat from terrorism. Attacks could be indiscriminate and against civilian targets, as demonstrated by serious bomb attacks on trains in Spain in March 2004. Visitors to Greece should maintain at least the same level of personal security awareness as in the UK.
There has been a history of serious domestic terrorism in Greece - in June 2000 the Defence Attaché at the British Embassy in Athens was murdered. The group responsible for this attack and a series of others over the years against Greek and US citizens - November 17 - was arrested and brought to trial as a result of a major breakthrough by the Greek authorities in June 2002. Fifteen members of the group, including four accused of murdering the Defence Attaché, received substantial prison sentences in December 2003.
Domestic anarchist groups remain active. So far their attacks, which often involve improvised incendiary explosive devices such as gas canister bombs, have primarily been directed against the Greek State, Greek institutions and commercial and diplomatic interests. On 29 October 2004, a small roadside bomb exploded in central Athens, apparently targeted at a passing police convoy. There were no injuries and no damage to the convoy.
In an incident in Athens in the early morning of 31 December 2004, the police guard stationed outside the house of the British Military Attaché was shot and killed. The Greek police are investigating. This incident shares characteristics with some past domestic terrorist attacks.
In view of the most recent attack and the history of domestic terrorism in Greece (two incidents in 2004 targeted UK commercial interests), high profile British interests in Greece should review their security measures and remain vigilant. It should be noted that Greek domestic terrorist groups have not attacked British tourists and tourist areas in Greece.
For further advice please see Security and General Tips and Risk of Terrorism when Travelling Overseas.
Crime
Most visits to Greece are trouble-free, but you should be aware that the tourist season attracts an increase in incidents of theft of wallets, handbags etc. particularly in areas and events where crowds gather. You should leave valuables in safe custody at your hotel or apartment.
Personal attacks, including sexual assaults and rape, are infrequent. However there have been incidents of sexual assault and rape on some Greek Islands. You are therefore advised to maintain at least the same level of personal security awareness as in the UK. We strongly advise lone visitors, in particular, never to accept lifts from strangers or passing acquaintances at any time.
LOCAL LAWS AND CUSTOMS
Greek people are renowned for their hospitality. The Greek police are used to dealing with large numbers of foreign tourists, especially on the islands and do so in a low-key way.
Indecent behaviour, including mooning, is not tolerated and the police have made clear that they will not hesitate to arrest. The courts are imposing heavy fines or prison sentences on people behaving indecently.
You should not become involved with drugs of any kind. Possession of even small quantities can lead to long terms of imprisonment.
Driving any vehicle whilst over the legal drinking limit is heavily penalised and can result in stiff fines and/or imprisonment.
If you are seeking employment in bars or night clubs, you are required to have a health certificate/licence issued by the local authorities to work in such establishments. Failure to have such a certificate is punishable by a fine and or imprisonment.
Do not take photographs or make notes near military or official installations. Seek permission before photographing individuals.
In common with many countries there is a requirement in Greece to be able to identify yourself. A passport or document with a photograph on it should be carried at all times.
In order to comply with Greek law, you should ensure that you obtain a receipt for goods purchased. Note that the purchase of pirate CDs in Greece can result in imprisonment.
Possession of an offensive weapon is an offence in Greece, therefore you are advised not to purchase any offensive weapons whilst on holiday, including small-scale weapons such as knuckledusters. There have been an increasing number of arrests and prosecutions of British nationals in Greece this year as a result of possession of such weapons.
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cockroachfarm said:Boy, I'd love to be there - at a safe distance - when you guys explain that line of thought to MY wife!
Wouldn't hesitate to do so.
Marriage may very well be an "equal" partnership, but it is also a "separate" partnership, with certain responsibilities falling to the man or the woman.
ALL decisions relating to personal safety and security of the members of the family fall to the male head of the household.
I stand on my original statement, "there is no GOOD reason for a wife to decide she is going on a vacation ANYWHERE without her husband".
I have seen WAY to many friends that started with something as "simple" as their wives going on "girls nights out" with their single friends, ending up with their marriage destroyed to buy into this crap.
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The Last Confederate said:
BWAHAHAHAHA, do you choose your wife's burkkas for her too, or is she allowed to pick them by herself
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Nordic Viking said:BWAHAHAHAHA, do you choose your wife's burkkas for her too, or is she allowed to pick them by herself
Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe his friends' marriage troubles were'nt because of 'girls night out' but because they were old fashioned and controlling. Just a thought.
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Nordic Viking said:BWAHAHAHAHA, do you choose your wife's burkkas for her too, or is she allowed to pick them by herself
Stupid statement from start to finish.
There is a HUGE difference between being controlling as in telling your wife how to dress, and setting passivly by while your wife suddenly tells you she is going out to clubs and socializing with others deliberately without your presence.
You can laugh all you want, but I have yet to see ONE single time when this happened, that it did not end in divorce after she got caught cheating.
And I would say the same thing to any married man. They have no GOOD reason for vacationing and or socializing in mixed company without their wives.
When a mariage starts doing these kinds of things it's in trouble.
People may laugh at this opinion, but I've noticed they ussually stop laughing when the lawyers bill arrives and they can only see their kids every other weekend.
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Ask her if she will just wait until you have the time and can go, I understand your worry. The last thing I'd want to do is ruin a marrage. Just be sweet to her, she'll appreciate that. You're never going to get that vacation do you think?