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Should I use PayPal Goods & Services or PayPal Friends & Family?
- Thread starter ctrsurf
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Using "gift" is theft of PP's services, and really stupid on top of that.
I think when a seller states they only accept PP Goods payment, it shows that they care enough about the people they deal with, to make sure the buyer has some form of recourse if the deal goes south... Which it has numerous times.
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Yes, it's about time. 👊🏻
Exactly! ANOTHER, PayPal, payment option thread...go figure.
The OP, has been a member here, since 2012; along with the fact, that there is a big PayPal Sticky at the top of the GBU forum (along with countless other redundant thread's discussing this very topic). I don't mean to be rude, but this thread, by someone who supposedly has been here for 3 years, qualifies as a "NO BRAINER!"
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1163713-Another-Paypal-Discussion/page14
Quote Posted by RevDevil:
"The only thing that needs to happen is having some time set aside to research whom you are trading items with, or simply cough up the money to outright buy the item you want or are interested in. If people didn't use the Paypal Gift option to buy knives for example, this entire section would be half as deep as it is now. Unfortunately, people fall for BS stories and let themselves get taken by that "warm and squishy" feeling, and they simply throw all caution to the wind. Also, asking for "Net to me" is just BS, do your own math for crying out loud, is it that hard? I have less sympathy for people that cannot add their fees into their asking price and force those fees on others."
I honestly believe, that your only reason for starting this thread, was to vent over the knife that you didn't get. Regardless, at least you had the good judgment, not to pay, via the F&F.
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bigmark408
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You should start a non-complacent knife forum and come back and tell us how it worked out.
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I buy the way I sell! Everything is straight up and everyone gets their cut. No funny business. Yep, even the government and paypal get their cuts.
it makes my life simpler and its easier to sleep at night.:applause:
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You already know right from wrong....or you wouldn't have doubts about the practice...!
Actually, I've never really been active in the knife community untill I had some time this year (recovering from a surgery) and enjoying getting into the hobby and learning the ropes. I didn't "not get the knife", I passed on it and not bummed in the least...and it is still available. I was simply remiss that the seller was initially very obstinate about accepting anything other than "gift option", declaring that his solid rep should suffice and even AFTER I shared PayPal's official policy of 2.9% + 30¢, he still did not want to do the deal for that amount, nor even the +4% that he initially requested...and this on a $500-range knife!? I am planning on purchasing that very knife brand new this week and gladly paying full retail. I was just wanting some feedback on the matter, and am stoked on what's been contributed. I've actually appreciated the ad style I've seen from you Kelama.
Exactly. Unless you are giving someone a gift and expect nothing in return then by all means send your hard earned money via gift. If you are trying to purchase an item from someone here or anywhere else for that matter, then use the "goods" as that is what you are doing. It's just hard to believe people even need to ask at this juncture.
As far as I am concerned, anyone that expects the buyer to cough up an extra percentage isn't worth dealing with, especially 4%. Someone insisting that "Gift Only" option needs to be ignored.
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When I sell. I just list a price with shipping and pp included. I do have many friends on here and even new folks just send gift on their own for small items maybe anything sub $100.
Thanks for the clarification. First & foremost: I hope that you recover 100% from your surgery!
I remember seeing the thread (where you posted for that $500 range, knife). I couldn't agree with you more, & I would never, ever give in to somebody squabbling over a few dollar's of fees, that "HE'S" obligated to pay, under PayPal's selling agreement. These idiot's, who come on BladeForums, & try to sell their knives, & pass their fee's onto the seller (especially high dollar knives), or offer the buyer the option to give up their PayPal protection under the buyer protection policy, is the most offensive thing that I see on this forum. It's like a big F--- YOU! staring you in the face!
My BF Ignore List is a mile long, because of these greedy, classless, member's...
I'm really glad that you didn't cave in with this guy, & stood your ground, over principal, ctrsurf.
Trying to profit on top of PayPal's service fee, is as unprofessional, & as greedy as it get's...
these type of seller's, are like that person you know, who always seems to have to leave before the sever brings you the check, or who always seems to have forgotten their wallet.
Yeah, that type of person: they're so tight, that their hind end squeaks, when they sneak out the door, knowing they screwed you into paying THEIR tab.
So I'm pretty new on here, but I've been enjoying this community and have been blown away by some of the kindness and brotherhood I've seen and experienced!:thumbup: One thing I'd like help understanding is the option to abuse PayPal and use Friends & Family when I'm clearly not FF with strangers on a forum buying luxury items. Today I tried to purchase a knife for $485 from a gentleman who's ad states that he'd prefer to be paid via Friends and Family, OR have 4% added (even though PayPal's fees are 2.9% + $0.30). When I told him that I'd gladly pay $500, he got very defensive about his perfect feedback rating, and insisted that PayPal would take way too big a chunk from him, and that I should pay him via FF option. I told him that though I respect his great rating, I'm not willing to send that amount FF. He then said, "ok fine, I'll accept $510". I'm over it, as he clearly doesn't really want to sell the knife that badly, and I'm struggling to understand arguing over a few bucks at that price point anyhow.
I'd like some input about this whole business please. The sticky's posted by the mods are abundantly clear about NOT using PayPal's FF option, as it's not only dishonest, but also avoids conflicts. Why then are 50%-ish of the ads I see openly asking to be paid FF, or to add XX% to the price to use Goods & Services? I am missing something? If we are so blessed that we can buy knifes that cost hundreds of dollars, why are people so worried about a few pennies?? What am I missing here?
Turn over everything you have regarding this sale to PAY PAL. Hopefully, they'll dump his butt and not let him use PAY PAL anymore.
While I respectfully disagree(and will explain in the second portion for discussion purposes), I will change to the so called keep it simple method with all fees and charges include. The purpose of any sales ad is not to antagonize customers and right or wrong enough seem to be offended by price + PP fee to make it a foolish method. As I stated earlier I used that method but keep it simple is no harder to use. The change will be made and thanks to those that contributed to this.
Now for the disagreement part.
A. I think people are focusing on the wrong number. The number to focus on is the final number you pay. If that number is a good deal you should buy, if not don't buy. It doesn't make any difference on how it is broken down. There is nothing inherent to the keep it simple method that says the fees are not in the price(or the best price) and if they rounded up to the next $5, you could be paying the highest fees of all.
Example(exaggerated) a BNIB Sebenza priced at $150 with added 100% fees($300) is a better deal than $400 keep it simple.It's what you pay in the end that matters.
B. (and this falls more into opinion) I am not Pay Pals biggest fan. I also don't go into a deal if I feel I am at much risk of being ripped off. I am honest and will take back any knife that the buyer isn't happy with. If it is do to a problem with the knife vs just changing of mind I will even pay for the return shipping. With this in mind I feel the PP guarantee is for the buyer and that is who should pay for it. If the buyer has any fear at all that the deal could go sour 3% is very good insurance and I would fully encourage them to use it. My other option is USPS money order-no fees, no gift option. I pay for insurance on the shipment, because that insures me. They pay for PP insurance because that insures them. I am in no hurry so PP gives me no benefit there. I use USPS money orders for my purchases whenever possible. There is a risk, but I take on that risk. If a BF deal with me using USPS money orders went sour I would open a thread so others were aware of the individual for their safety, but would expect nothing of BF or any one else in the help of a recovery. My choice, my problem.
-Only deals that have fallen through over PP fees were those that insisted on paying F&F. Many have failed to pay the fees as agreed and I just let it go with no mention(rest of deal was fine), others I have waived the fees and still others have agreed to split. The fees are too little to loose deals on & never that big a deal to me. I usually am loosing money anyway so what's a little more
As I said this was for discussion only. I have a couple old sales I will check and adjust to keep it simple if needed. Sorry for the length of this
Not to worry Peter, you can sell as you wish as can anyone else. Disagreement is expected as it is how we share and learn. I was stating my opinion on the matter as someone that does occasionally buy items on the Exchange. Currently, my focus is on the increasing amount of flakes and scammers that arrive in waves. Maybe the buyers are focusing on the wrong numbers, or the sellers could be over complicating things by focusing too much on one number. In the end, whatever works, luckily, Spark gives the option to the seller and we do not enforce Paypal's rules or ToS, that is up to the individual selling or buying to comply. We've already covered that in the rules, and only provide the venue. I do agree that Paypal isn't the greatest, since you cannot use it legally to purchase firearms or other items that are legal in areas outside of the home sate of operation and HQ.
It's good to be a little skeptical and cautious of new people. There is no way to tell if the person is going to be legit or not, where as some already vetted has been around, the are part of the community, the post, participate, and are known a little at least beyond their screen name. There is always a risk, but minimizing the potential to be ripped off is a good thing and should not be taken personally by the newer folks. Back to an earlier issue I mentioned, the flakes aka tire kickers are the worst offenders. They don't actually rip anyone off, rather just the annoyance factor of low balling and other such things gets to some people.
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Trying to profit on top of PayPal's service fee, is as unprofessional, & as greedy as it get's...
these type of seller's, are like that person you know, who always seems to have to leave before the sever brings you the check, or who always seems to have forgotten their wallet.
LOL! Exactly! And further difficult to comprehend that people that squeaky tight would spend hundred$+ on knives! I guess it's not about the amount of money involved for them- it's simply a lifestyle of utter cheapness!
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