Shouldn't Knifes Be Cheap?

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This is a tool we all love, granted. It is, however, a tool that by definition must be partially destroyed in order to be maintained. You must destroy part of the blade in order to maintain the cutting edge. In light of this fact doesn't it make sense to buy the cheapest/best quality knives you can find? A knife CAN'T last so why spend large amounts of money on what is really a disposable tool?
Don't think I don't understand how provocative this statement will be, it is the reason I find the question interesting.
Just to fire things up a bit, I bought 4 knives for a grand total of $100 that I believe will stack up against any Sdriter or Bescenza on the market. they are; Spydie Tenacious, Rat 1 folder, Buck Sandman, Blackhawk Crucible II. I do own 5 custom knives so don't get your undies in a bunch if you think I'm knocking your buying habits. I'm looking for intelligent philosophical discussion of the limited lifespan of edged tools. Fire away and let's get a good debate going. Just realized the title of this thread has the word "knifes" in it. OOOooops!
 
So you're basically saying that a $10 knife and a $100 knife will last around the same time.

I think that you get what you pay for. You pay for $10 you get $10 but there are many cases where you can get alot of great value out of a knife. The Spyderco Tenacious is a great one.
 
Well essentially I totally agree with you, so that wont help get the discussion bouncing to much. Like most people here I own more knives than I can count and I own knives up in the hundreds of dollars. However, some of my fav's are my SOG flash 1($32), Byrd Raven($19), and the ever popular Spydie Tenacious($35). Sometimes I have spend $100 on a knife and thought, why is this worth that much, I find I am spending less and getting more for my money lately. So I find your query "Shouldn't Knifes Be Cheap?" worth discussion, but for me even more so, "why did I/do I spend so much on knives?" To be just as important a question. This is in the realm of knives as tools of course.
 
there's something to be said for "bang for the buck" buying practices.

i liken it to buying cars, since that's what i'm most familiar with.

you spend x amount of money on a car and it will most likely never ever be worth that much again. driving it incurs wear and tear and not only decreases the value, but decreases the reliability, so the more you drive it, the more you spend on it.

now, if you want a vehicle that gets you from point a to point b and costs you the least in fuel, insurance, and maintenance, you can get yourself a Toyota Corolla.

but if you take some enjoyment out of the experience of driving from point a to point b, then you might sacrifice more money for a much more expensive BMW 325i. there's just something about the way the car feels in its responses, but obviously it'll cost you more in every category.

take it to another extreme...you can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a porsche 911 turbo, that feels even better and has performance levels that are just mind boggling...but it's still going to have to get you from point a to point b, and if you drive legally, well, you aren't going to get there any faster.

i guess what i'm trying to say is that you can be practical and get a "bang for your buck" blade, which makes super sense especially if you're going to use it all the time. but i suppose there's something extra for someone who is looking to enjoy the experience of owning and deploying and cutting with a more expensive knife.
 
Some people don't like the thought of damaging their knives and thus we have "safe queens". :D Buy what floats yer boat and enjoy it as best you can. :thumbup:
 
A knife can't last?

How are there so many that are family heirlooms, then?

A properly handled/used/maintained knife (OF HIGH QUALITY) will outlast the life of its user.
 
I think every single thing that mankind makes will wear down over time. That is the nature of material things. That being said, a good quality knife can last a lifetime and some depending on how you use your knife.

Will a cheapy last as long as a nice custom? debatable, but there is much more than that to a knife. A knife is about character. It is about pride of ownership. It is about being part of a community. Its about having something that is unique and special. Each person can find a knife that works for them. For many, just a cheapo that gets the job done is enough. Others like something a little more special.

Basically, different strokes for different folks
 
Many things follow this pattern. For example, I think it's a bit dumb to buy a two hundred dollar pair of sneakers when I can get a forty dollar pair that will do just as good and will last me about the same, but then, some people like to spend a gagillion dollars on shoes so who am I to judge. It's not something that can be, needs to be, or should be attempted to be, justified. It's just what we like to put our pay checks into.

Also, a knife is capable of lasting a lifetime or two if maintained properly, at which point, I'll be dead, and I won't care anymore.
 
A name can cost you a lot of money...no doubt about it. But other things can raise prices as well. Do you want AUS 8 or VG-10? Plastic scales or carbon fiber? good quality lock or flimsy liner lock (I know not all liner locks are created equal). So to some degree you get what you pay for but many times you are paying for a name and that name probably isn't the name of the maker...just the designer. So do you want a knife made by Chris Reeves or one designed by Chris Reeves but put together by Joe Stumblethumbs? Do you know which you will get when you buy that name?

I buy good quality and know it will last, I am using my grandfather's knives today for example and they were used well by him but taken care of.
 
Well, I had a big thing typed up to reply to this thread, but I realized that my last sentence summed the whole thing up really simply:):

There are needs, and there are wants.
 
pretty foolish question as what is cheap to one person is expensive and what is expensive to a person doesn't even register as money to another.



I own a lot of knives and while most of them may be kitchen knives a fair portion of them are in the 300-500 range and yes that is very expensive to me but I enjoy working with good tools. To put my point into perspective though not that long ago 2 kramer gyutos sold on ebay for iirc $7000+ and the other for around $9000. For me that is just insane but for someone that makes 5-6 times what I do proportionately that is a drop in the bucket.


I'd also like to add i am a working chef so I do wear out knives/tools I actually do sharpen enough for this to happen. Most people don't use a knife nearly enough to wear them out in a real sense in less than a life time. Sharpening every day or two you can get from good knives with proper care and no real abuse around 10 years give or take. Your arguement is pretty flawed in general and I don't know about most people but I know where I do make a living with my tools the comfort of using the tools I want is worth as much as I can afford.
 
Average lifespan of
computers and other gadgets such as cell phones, ipods, etc. 3 years
automobiles somewhere around 10 to 15
hand tools,

Need I continue. The average lifespan of most stuff is limited and yet cost much more than does a knife or knives for that matter. This topic has been done here a bunch I did it once myself when inquiring about folder longevity because folders by their very nature are bound to wear out quicker than fixed blades because the knife comes already broken.

You'd be suprised by the number of people that had folders they still carried and used that were over 10 years and some approaching 50 and over. Had one guys post of a picture of a sebenza one of the first I think it was like 13 years old, it was, is and remains his EDC and it still looked pretty good. The blade had worn down a little bit but not much.

What I found was that a lot of people had some pretty big expectations about folder longevity and made some very valid points as to why this is realistic. It all boiled down to these advances in materials, manufacturing, engineering and the fact that we live in modern civilized world where our EDC for the most part doesn't actually see that much use. Its not like were living in the dark ages are all living out in the woods where the knife is main tool that we count on for our survival.


Also and this ties into the advances in materials, manufacturing and engineering thing, but boutique steels, advances in heat treat (Busse, Paul Bos), cryongenics, etc, and the creation of such things as edge pro, sharp makers, et al combined with a little education as to how to properly sharpen a knife have combined to go a long way towards blade longevity beit folder of fixed.

Gone are the days where you sit with your Grand Paws wetstone and grind the blade in oblivion, plus with high end steels we've got today these knives are holding a serviceable edge for a long time. Now, if you want the thing to cut the hairs on a knats beehine, then yea your probably gonna take off a little more material that the average user. Overall though I think the whole knives should be cheap argument is completely flawed and should actually be the other way around. Knives should be expensive, if for nothing else all the things I mentioned i.e. advances in materials.

Because now you in reality most people don't need to buy more than a few good knives and in all likely hood their covered with quality cutting tools for their rest of their lives. Can't tell how many well over a $100.00 power tools, I've had crap out on me over the years and they were only around for a few years or so. Now that I think about it, all but one old circular saw hasn't last more they say a few years, probably five (5) max.

Can't get more than about five years out of a 4 wheeler either beit honda or yamaha and those dang things ain't cheap, nor are they cheap to maintain. Now that I think of it same thing goes for guns. If you spend any time shooting one your gonna shot the barrel out of it, so shouldn't they be cheap too? I don't about you but I'm not buying cheap knives are guns, as I think the old adage of you get what you pay for holds true in this arena for the most part. Also if the fit does ever hit the shan and the balloon goes up, I want the best tools I can afford so they will be durable and hopefully offer the most longevity as I won't be able to run to the store and buy more, order one online, by mail or email or phone a local maker to have one built. I'll have what I've got when the even happens and that'll probably be it for a while. So no, no, no, Knives should not be cheap.

Given the fact of what your getting these days, such as INFI, BETA TI, ZDP 189, Bos Heat Treat, etc. I think knives are inexpensive for what were getting. How does that old Vagina Slimes, err I mean Virginia Slims ad go, We've come a long way baby.
 
The real kicker for me is trying to find $400 wrenches or screwdrivers. They are metal, they are heat treated, they can factor in ergonomics, fit & finish, etc. Knives are hand tools, and anything not purchased for collector value at high prices does come off as strange, even though I do it.
 
What are you talking about, knives are cheap. The majority by far of edged tools currently used today and throughout history have been cheap-although not always cheap in the sense of a five dollar gas station knife.

Cheap as in, a ten dollar hammer. Cheap enough so that anyone needing one can get one, and it will likely last a long time.

Of course, as soon as man learned how to work with metals, those with more means to acquire could be seen with better made edged tools. This has continued, and today one can find thousands of cheap knives that will do just fine, or hundreds of nicer knives that also get the job done but are made better, etc, right up to say a one of a kind knife that will never be used for cutting.

Right now I have a tenacious in one pocket and a umnumzaan in the other. And I'm glad I live in a time when I can have knives like this that to me are well worth the price.
 
So you're basically saying that a $10 knife and a $100 knife will last around the same time.

I think that you get what you pay for. You pay for $10 you get $10 but there are many cases where you can get alot of great value out of a knife. The Spyderco Tenacious is a great one.

^ I think a related issue is that once you get above the bottom-end knives, increasing the price almost never increases quality at the same rate.

I.e.- a $400 kitchen knife will usually not give you double the performance/lifespan/etc of a $200 one.

Now, is getting say a 15-20% improvement for twice as much money spent worth it? Depends on the user.
 
people CAN, that's why. People work hard, earn money and like to enjoy high quality, appealing items that look and feel good. High quality materials and options of materials etc..

why buy a bmw when you can get a hyundai?
 
A $40 Timex will keep time as well as the fanciest Rolex, yet there is a market for both. When it comes down to it, if the sole objective is to cut something then there is no reason to spend a pile of cash on a knife. I have a $40 wally world Native, it's a fine knife and excellent cutter. I just purchased my first CRK, a small '97 Sebenza, it's a fine knife and an excellent cutter. I don't consider either to be "disposable", and in the case of the CRK (and most of my other knives) I would fully expect them to be passed along for at least a couple of generations. I gave a knife to my eldest child a couple years ago, and I'll assure you she doesn't see it as a disposable tool. The knives I purchase are an expression of the craftsmen that design and make them. To me they are more than just knives, they are an extension and expression of personality built on a lifetime of fascination of one of the world's oldest tools. In the case of the Sebenza this also includes a fascination and appreciation for design, detail, and precision- and I am ok with spending a bit of money to own it.
 
It has to be good quality, but it can't be so expensive that it's irreplaceable. Then it just defeats the purpose. However, a good knife will last for years, decades, lifetimes, if properly cared for.
 
Just to fire things up a bit, I bought 4 knives for a grand total of $100 that I believe will stack up against any Sdriter or Bescenza on the market.

perhaps in your eyes.

perhaps to me I would rather save my 30 bucks and get a nice steak than waste it on a pos tenacious.

I take it the point of this thread is too piss off as many people as possible right? "buying a strider or a sebenza doesnt make sense" is troll bait on a knife forum if Ive ever seen it.

p.s. I would rather have a steak than a tenacious although I dont actually think its complete junk.
 
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