Shouldn't Knifes Be Cheap?

Pricing for knives, as with many other products in the same vein, is exponential. At the lower end you're paying money for knives that don't function, and at the high end you're paying lots of extra money for only either a small increase in performance or an increase in aesthetics (or both). Therefore, the middle range provides the best balance between performance and cost. :)

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Totally agree. X axis represents performance while Y is price. In the beginning a little increase in price will buy you a lot of performance. After a certain point a little increase in performance can only be had for a large increase in price. There is a stark performance difference between a $25 and a $50 knife, but the gap is less between a $250 knife and a $500 one.

For MY current lifestyle, I have found that the sweet spot is around $50. Much lower than that price, and I'll be spending too much time touching it up or modifying it to my liking. Much higher than that and I can no longer justify the price/performance ratio, especially since I don't need the extra performance.

Here's the catch: your lifestyle is quite possible very different than mine, so you gotta find your own price/performance ratio sweet spot.

If I were a rolex-wearing celebrity, it makes perfect sense to get a knife of the same caliber, just to complete the image. You may scoff at this "image" deal, but many celebrities do depend on certain images for their livelihood.

If I were a recent high school graduate working at McDonald's, it makes perfect sense to buy a $15 knife. The knife might not be really hot, but it will have an edge while still leaving some money for other stuff.

If I were a soldier posted in a hostile environment where I constantly abuse my knife doing all sorts of tough jobs, then it makes perfect sense to spend more on a really durable knife, or something with excellent warranty.
 
I've had $30 bucks keep up with the more $$$ pieces in my small collection...I've seen a becker BK9 perform up there with my bowie I made for exteme camp use, so i guess it just depends who you're buying off and the materials.

A $30 mall ninja china knife wont perform like a $30 kabar.

EDIT: opinel is also a fantastic cheap knife (under $10) that will outperform ALOT of knives.
 
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perhaps in your eyes.

perhaps to me I would rather save my 30 bucks and get a nice steak than waste it on a pos tenacious.

I take it the point of this thread is too piss off as many people as possible right? "buying a strider or a sebenza doesnt make sense" is troll bait on a knife forum if Ive ever seen it.

p.s. I would rather have a steak than a tenacious although I dont actually think its complete junk.

Woah there. What about the Tenacious makes it, yes I understand that you don't think it's "complete" junk, a poor knife?
 
I often agree, even with knives, that you get what you pay for.

However, whether or not you're getting what you pay for also depends on what you're looking for.

There are definitely some knives out there that would be considered "cheap" but do offer fantastic value for the money.
 
Just to fire things up a bit, I bought 4 knives for a grand total of $100 that I believe will stack up against any Sdriter or Bescenza on the market. they are; Spydie Tenacious, Rat 1 folder, Buck Sandman, Blackhawk Crucible II.

Stack up how?

A box cutter is much cheaper than those knives and will work just as good if not better.
 
Stack up how?

A box cutter is much cheaper than those knives and will work just as good if not better.

comes down to use and personal preference...I am thrilled by my buck 279T which was $30 at walmart in 2005, I use it 99% of the time over my expensive blades because it holds an edge forever with what i do and has a lightning smooth opening.
 
This is a tool we all love, granted. It is, however, a tool that by definition must be partially destroyed in order to be maintained. You must destroy part of the blade in order to maintain the cutting edge. In light of this fact doesn't it make sense to buy the cheapest/best quality knives you can find? A knife CAN'T last so why spend large amounts of money on what is really a disposable tool?

I read this and thought "what a load of s**t". Honestly are you saying that spending over $100 on a knife is a waste of money on the grounds that it is a disposable item? I would guess that the majority of $100+ knives will last longer than their owners!

Sure I can see someone cutting cardboard 40 hours per week would be crazy to do it with a $400 knife - but most expensive knives wont work so hard & so often that they need sharpening every day.


A knife can't last?

How are there so many that are family heirlooms, then?

A properly handled/used/maintained knife (OF HIGH QUALITY) will outlast the life of its user.

Yeah, what he said!
 
comes down to use and personal preference...I am thrilled by my buck 279T which was $30 at walmart in 2005, I use it 99% of the time over my expensive blades because it holds an edge forever with what i do and has a lightning smooth opening.

Personal preference is one thing and I understand that. He didn't say "I prefer X knives to sebenza strider etc." he said they stack up. I want to read just how they stack up in his opinion because I have a persistence which is the smaller tenacious and IMO it in no way shape or form stacks up to my sebenza or strider so maybe I missed something.
 
Personal preference is one thing and I understand that. He didn't say "I prefer X knives to sebenza strider etc." he said they stack up. I want to read just how they stack up in his opinion because I have a persistence which is the smaller tenacious and IMO it in no way shape or form stacks up to my sebenza or strider so maybe I missed something.
I think what he means by "stack up" is that they perform the same general purpose, they cut. When you think about it all knives "stack up" it's just a matter of how long they'll "stack up." I could buy a $10 knife and have it last maybe a day before it needs to be resharpened/chips in the blade fixed, or I could spend $50+ and get a knife that'll last over a week before I'll even need to worry about resharpening and I doubt I'll see any chips in the blade. It comes down to common sense "you get what you pay for" and personal preference especially when deciding to spend ~$100 or more on just one knife.
 
Personal preference is one thing and I understand that. He didn't say "I prefer X knives to sebenza strider etc." he said they stack up. I want to read just how they stack up in his opinion because I have a persistence which is the smaller tenacious and IMO it in no way shape or form stacks up to my sebenza or strider so maybe I missed something.

sebenza and strider have been put on a pedistal within the knife community, will not deny their quality but there are cheaper knives which can keep up with them performance wise (though for that custom feel for under $500 I dont think much competes).
 
sebenza and strider have been put on a pedistal within the knife community, will not deny their quality but there are cheaper knives which can keep up with them performance wise (though for that custom feel for under $500 I dont think much competes).

There may be some that can but the persistence chipped on things that the sebenza or strider pt didn't plus the persistence didn't hold a edge nearly as well as the pt or sebenza.
 
Average lifespan of
computers and other gadgets such as cell phones, ipods, etc. 3 years
automobiles somewhere around 10 to 15
hand tools,

Need I continue. The average lifespan of most stuff is limited and yet cost much more than does a knife or knives for that matter. This topic has been done here a bunch I did it once myself when inquiring about folder longevity because folders by their very nature are bound to wear out quicker than fixed blades because the knife comes already broken.

You'd be suprised by the number of people that had folders they still carried and used that were over 10 years and some approaching 50 and over. Had one guys post of a picture of a sebenza one of the first I think it was like 13 years old, it was, is and remains his EDC and it still looked pretty good. The blade had worn down a little bit but not much.

What I found was that a lot of people had some pretty big expectations about folder longevity and made some very valid points as to why this is realistic. It all boiled down to these advances in materials, manufacturing, engineering and the fact that we live in modern civilized world where our EDC for the most part doesn't actually see that much use. Its not like were living in the dark ages are all living out in the woods where the knife is main tool that we count on for our survival.


Also and this ties into the advances in materials, manufacturing and engineering thing, but boutique steels, advances in heat treat (Busse, Paul Bos), cryongenics, etc, and the creation of such things as edge pro, sharp makers, et al combined with a little education as to how to properly sharpen a knife have combined to go a long way towards blade longevity beit folder of fixed.

Gone are the days where you sit with your Grand Paws wetstone and grind the blade in oblivion, plus with high end steels we've got today these knives are holding a serviceable edge for a long time. Now, if you want the thing to cut the hairs on a knats beehine, then yea your probably gonna take off a little more material that the average user. Overall though I think the whole knives should be cheap argument is completely flawed and should actually be the other way around. Knives should be expensive, if for nothing else all the things I mentioned i.e. advances in materials.

Because now you in reality most people don't need to buy more than a few good knives and in all likely hood their covered with quality cutting tools for their rest of their lives. Can't tell how many well over a $100.00 power tools, I've had crap out on me over the years and they were only around for a few years or so. Now that I think about it, all but one old circular saw hasn't last more they say a few years, probably five (5) max.

Can't get more than about five years out of a 4 wheeler either beit honda or yamaha and those dang things ain't cheap, nor are they cheap to maintain. Now that I think of it same thing goes for guns. If you spend any time shooting one your gonna shot the barrel out of it, so shouldn't they be cheap too? I don't about you but I'm not buying cheap knives are guns, as I think the old adage of you get what you pay for holds true in this arena for the most part. Also if the fit does ever hit the shan and the balloon goes up, I want the best tools I can afford so they will be durable and hopefully offer the most longevity as I won't be able to run to the store and buy more, order one online, by mail or email or phone a local maker to have one built. I'll have what I've got when the even happens and that'll probably be it for a while. So no, no, no, Knives should not be cheap.

Given the fact of what your getting these days, such as INFI, BETA TI, ZDP 189, Bos Heat Treat, etc. I think knives are inexpensive for what were getting. How does that old Vagina Slimes, err I mean Virginia Slims ad go, We've come a long way baby.
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Very well said sir. The notion hit me when I realized how much material I was removing from a high end production knife recently (admittedly abused). Thinking "geez there's gonna be no blade left!". As always the easily antagonized have been thoroughly riled up so my work here is done.:D
Your point of veiw is well taken.
 
Vast majority of people that need a knife aren't going to pay much for one, anyway.
We just see a concentration of the ones that will pay the most for knives here. The general public's view sure isn't reflected.
 
Just thought I would throw my 2 cents in... I feel that knifes are like other investments you pay for IE vehicle/Guns/Lights/ You get what you pay for... Me personally most of my blades are either 100 dollars and up.. I believe in carrying a good name brand blade with good steals and materials IE like a benchmade or spyderco and the list goes on... This is opening up another can of worms but would I settle spending any less for a CCW weapon than one of my Heckler & Koch and SIGS or GLocks for CCW? the answer is no... What I am trying to say is I believe when you buy something to depend on you should go the extra mile and spend a little more money you will be happy you did.... When you settle for less you will end of having to spend MORE money to replace it after it breaks... I am just speaking from personal experience and have been down that rd....
 
I like NAVY knives for cheap folders. Same manufacture'er as Spyderco's Byrd line. I own 4 of them and don't believe I paid over 14 bucks not counting shipping for any one of them. Absolutely stellar build quality with very excellent materials used. One reminds me of a flat ground Native with a compression lock, heavier though and maybe just a tad larger blade, 2 of them are direct copies of the Spyderco Para and these again are excellent copies with compression locks. Last one is a liner lock with some kind of wood handle slabs that are expertily fitted to the bolsters. Butter smooth opener and the lock has not moved one iota since I have had it. I have opened and closed this knife hundreds if not thousands of time just cause it is a joy to do so. SMOOOTH! They must use some kind of hardend s.s. for the bolsters cause it doesn't mark up like Ti or alum. Feel kind of guilty truth be told but for user folders they are excellent. keepem sharp

PS I would bet my life on any one of these folders too they are that good. Inexpensive doesn't have to mean poor quality. Pics to follow.

PSS can't post pics cause my GM hasn't gone through yet! Crap:mad:
 
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I think price should factor in to your application. My most used knife/tool is my Leatherman. For everyday stuff it's hard to beat a good multi tool. For combat and survival purchases I am willing to spend much more. I view these knives as emergency equipment. Similar to a handgun a quality blade will last longer in the field without maintenance. If you work at COSTCO and open boxes all day, then save your money and buy a utility knife. "Don't trust your life on a $5 knife..." good advice.
 
You are in trouble if you count on any tool at any price to bet your life on. A man who can't survive with a Mora, probably wouldn't survive with a tool truck full of Busse's.
 
You are in trouble if you count on any tool at any price to bet your life on. A man who can't survive with a Mora, probably wouldn't survive with a tool truck full of Busse's.

I sure won't want to have to put that one to the test. ;)

But yes I do see your point however. :)
 
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