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maxkimber

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In addition to my PSK, BOB, etc... I am now considering a purchase of a pistol/carbine combo that are of the same caliber and accept the same magazines for home security and SHTF scenario. I am located in the suburbs, so I am looking at pistol caliber (.40 S&W or 9mm). Anyone have experience with the Beretta Px4 and Cx4? If I were located in a less urban area I would also consider a .308 rifle (which I will add anyway eventually).

I have seen some weapons in BOBs, what do y'all pack?

Max
 
Does not fit your criteria of common ammo but my SHTF "travel pack" includes the M4(clone) with Aimpoint and extra 1.5-4.5 scope + Glock 17 in 9mm.

2Door
 
I'm not huge on the whole BOB philosophy, but a lot of that has to do with my location. If a gun is to be a large part of your BOB plan and you live in an urban area, then your weapon has to be as discrete as possible. One thing that Katrina taught us was that your rights will go out the door re: the police, and you will be stripped of anything 'dangerous' and herded in with the rest of 'em. Best choice is to remain neutral in appearance and stay out of sight.

A long arm will need to be capable of being stowed in a pack. I chose an SAR3 (like an AK in .223) with a wire folding stock, because it fits in my pack, is dead reliable, won't penetrate as much in an urban environment, and is simple to operate in case someone else in my party has to use it.

A good pistol is hard to beat, though, because of the inherent concealability and speed with which it can be produced. I always have my 1911 on me, city or woods or otherwise, so that is always covered.

The ubiquitous 12 gauge is so common for a reason, too. It just works, all the time. No worries about reliability, no concerns with 'stopping power'. Ammo selection lets you work around having to use 'low penetration' ammo, or something heavier for a bigger task. It excels at small game hunting if your woods bound and works like a charm on two legged problems. The ability to get a pistol grip or folding stock for pack-ability is a plus.

Thus my SAR3, 1911 and 12 ga are my 3 'go to' guns for long woods treks, etc.

I'm not personally a fan of pistol caliber carbines because they will often penetrate more than proper .223 round in an urban environment, and do not offer the same versatility. If you're stuck on it, something like the Keltec folder is a compact little package.
 
My battery for such matters is the AK, Glock and 870. It is hard to beat these for pure function and economics. Mac
 
I would avoid the pistol caliber carbine. What I would try for, is a good pistol or revolver in a combat caliber - 38 special through 45 colt. I would then go for either a 30-30 rifle, 30 carbine, or an SKS. Most of these types are pre-ban, not covered by a ban, or will survive any future ban's. They are common enough calibers to allow some selection in ammunition, and at least two of them do not require the purchase of detachable magazines. Supplement that with a good 12ga shotgun and you have covered all your bases. As a matter of fact I might say you should have a good revolver, a good semi auto pistol, a good rifle/carbine, and a good shotgun.
 
I like AR carbines and 1911 pistols. Another decent pairing for the gun shy would be a 30-30 lever action rifle and revolver in .357.
 
If I had to pare everything down to minimums----it would be a pair of Glock 19's equipped exactly the same--same night sights --same everything---20 to 30 magazines between the 2 of them. More than likely this would be the primary weapon---good to have a backup you are familiar with.

An AK-47---cheap--reliable---fairly cheap to feed---the ability to shoot up a vehicle if need be---an AR just isn't powerfull enough to do this reliably.

Remington 870 12ga---slugs--buckshot---birdshot---very versitile.
 
I have my Springfield XD9 pistol , Ruger mini 14 .223 cal , working on 12 gauge either a Mossy 590 or 870 OD green border patrol version ...
 
SpookyPistolero said:
I'm not huge on the whole BOB philosophy, but a lot of that has to do with my location. If a gun is to be a large part of your BOB plan and you live in an urban area, then your weapon has to be as discrete as possible. One thing that Katrina taught us was that your rights will go out the door re: the police, and you will be stripped of anything 'dangerous' and herded in with the rest of 'em. Best choice is to remain neutral in appearance and stay out of sight.
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I think this is a very smart way to go. If something happens in the way of a big disaster, natural or terrorist, I feel the local and Federal authorities are going to be insufferable with a big brother attitude. I don't think they will tollerate somebody walking down the street with a AR or AK over their shoulder. However a nice 3 inch barrel .357 or a 1911A1 cocked and locked under a jacket may go unnoticed.

Plus theres another way of looking at it. If you do have an encounter with some lawless types and survive it, you will now be armed with whatever they had. If there is a long term breakdown of things and the longer it goes on, then in theroy the longer you survive the criminals in the aftermath, the more your own armiment increases. In WW2 we dropped a bunch of sheet metal .45 zip guns called Liberators in France. The idea was to shoot a German and take his gun. Not a bad idea, letting the bad guys supply your guns, post mortum.

When Charles Lindberg was taking off for his history making flight, he took a couple of sandwiches and a thermos of coffee. Asked if that was all he was taking, he replied "If I make it I won't need anything more, and if I don't make it, I still won't need anything more."
 
AK, Mossberg 500 or 590, 1911, Remington 700P .308

A lot of stuff, but covers your needs and then some. If you live in an urban environment you wouldn't really need the 700 but out here in the sticks it could come in handy.
 
I have a Beretta Storm CX4 9mm carbine. It is a very fine little pistol caliber rifle IMO. It's a lot of fun to shoot and is more accurate than a pistol due to barrel length, at least for me.
 
Pistol and rifles of the same caliber so not give you much of an advantage. In the rifle you pick up some velocity and range but are still shooting a pistol cartridge. Start with a pump shotgun. Plenty of good reccomendations already. Get a slug barrel and eventually you could add other barrels for hunting.
 
Taurus 608 (357 revolver holds 8 rounds with 4" barrel) 2 speed loaders, Marlin 1894 lever gun in 357 and mossy 12 gauge w/ Choate folding stock, mag. extension sling and night light.
 
Also check out the Kel-tec sub 2000. I'm plannin on getting one soon to pair up with my Glock. THey get outstanding reviews and can be had for about $300 or less. Great deal. It works with glock mags so you can have a pistol and rifle in the same caliber that use the same mags. the rifle folds in half and both will fit in a laptop case.

Another thing you might want to consider is a revolver and a leveraction in the same pistol caliber. 357 mag out of a 16" barrel gets very close to 30-30 ballisticaly.

Good luck to you
 
Lever action rifle and a handgun in 357 mag are a good combo as well as the 44 mag pistols with a Ruger 44 mag carbine.
 
I just picked up a Marlin Camp 9, its a 9mm carbine. Takes s&w 59 mags and doesnt look like any swat/tactical rifle. I have also seen a few of these modified to take glock mags but I'm a little scared of taking a dremel to my brand new 8 yr old rifle. This would make all my g19 mags serve double duty.

As stated already, unless zombies/red dawn or some other crazies are out I think it would be best to get something low and concealable.
 
Off the subject slightly, has anyone any experience with the Wilson Combat or Scattergun Technologies modified shotguns? They look very impressive and the Border Guard model isn't too expensive. At least as long as my wife never sees the price tag.
 
elmojo said:
Off the subject slightly, has anyone any experience with the Wilson Combat or Scattergun Technologies modified shotguns? They look very impressive and the Border Guard model isn't too expensive. At least as long as my wife never sees the price tag.
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Save the money, just get an 870 Home Defense or Police model. Or better yet, just go find any basic 12 ga pump, and put the money towards ammo and training. I'd be way more worried about being shot at by the guy with a 12 ga that he's worn in through a thousand rounds and some training, rather than a tricked out rig that's barely had 100 shells put through.

Extra cash for the knowledge and skill to put together a tuned precision rifle or 1911 is one thing, but they're just charging to add parts to it. I realize there are a few 'custom' benefits like the new dura/magic/super-coat or sights or whatever, but mostly it's just things you could easily add yourself for less (light, sidesaddle, sling, follower, springs...). I've got an 870 with most everything they list on some of their tricked out models, that cost me roughly half as much. We're talking about send a a wad of lead balls out at moderate ranges, not 300 yrd head shots.
 
Sound wisdom Mr. Spooky. I was just dreaming a little. They're so purty. I'm happy with my Mossy anyway and it's well broken in. Thanks!
 
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