SHTF Arsenal

This one time I will agree that the Wilson is not worth the money. I love Wilson Combat and carry a Wilson CQB daily but the shotguns are worth the $$$. Buy a police model and put the sights on yourself, a shell carrier and a good sling.
 
I just remembered seeing a bullpup style conversion stock for a Hi Point carbine (one ugly gun). I don't recall where I saw the stock. The Hi Point comes in 9mm and I think 40 S&W and has a lifetime warranty. It is pretty pricey however, I think you can get one for under $200. lol!
Actually you'd probably pay more for the new stock then you'll pay for the weapon.
I have heard from owners that it is a good little gun, reliable and tough. Don't want to offend.
 
elmojo said:
Sound wisdom Mr. Spooky. I was just dreaming a little. They're so purty. I'm happy with my Mossy anyway and it's well broken in. Thanks!
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Oh, I completely understand the dreamy eyes towards a few lead slingers! If it makes you feel better about your mossy, I just picked up a very plain Mossy 500 with an 18" barrel and 5 round tube, and vastly prefer it for most practical uses over my tricked out 870. It handles much better and weighs about two metric tons less than the 870, and it just feels good. :D

Re: the hi point- It's about the only product of theirs I've ever imagined recommending. I had the little 9mm carbine growing up, and that thing just ran and ran. Very reliable, good accuracy, very hideous. Ugly as sin, but they work!
 
I lied, just found the stock for the Hi Point. Its made by Advanced Technologies with an MSRP of $70. Its not really a bullpup either. It does improve the look of the carbine.
 
For compactness, it would be tough to beat the Keltec Sub 2000. I've got one and it spends a lot of time in a small bag along with several loaded magazines.

My carbine is in .40S&W, it takes standard Glock .40 mags. I've partnered it with a Glock 22, service sized .40.

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The groups I shot with this little carbine were done cold with an untested ammo (WWB, 180 gr. ball).

The distances are paces, not feet, and I hadn't regulated the sights.

The carbine isn't as robust as many rifles, I would not want to spear someone with it or try to knock down a door, it isn't up to that. The strength of the carbine is to allow a similar platform to a pistol, using the same mags and ammo, but it stretches the practical accuracy of the cartridge out to beyond what most folks could do with a pistol.

This isn't what I would consider a wilderness survival rifle, but one to get me from where I am to where I want to be, in a package small enough to be practical.

Andy
 
I am not a die hard anything type, but get a Glock 17...trust me. I have owned Wilson, Kimber, STI, SVI and on and on. The Glock is totally reliable with ok ammo. Sig is more reliable in my experiance...but Glocks are more common, and you can easily learn to work on them. 9mm and 45acp are good(very common) in the USA for a rifle go .308, .223 and 7.62 in no order. On the shotgun...870 is again more common, 12 guage is a given I hope.
 
14" 870 clone, maybe a sks, but they tend to be long and sticks out on the street. A shotgun with some 6/ 7.5, some 00, and slug will let you hunt for birds, rabbits, deers and zombies all from the same gun!
 
I'd pick up a Glock 23 (40 S&W) and a 12 ga Remington police model 870. Neither have to be new, but if you are not real experienced with handguns, I'd buy a new Glock. The Glock is my go to gun for a fight and they function reliably. Being discreet in a time of crisis is a good approach. I'd keep the 12 ga at home for home defense or in a SHTF situation, home assault. By the way, nothing wrong with a regular sporting type shotgun. The barrels are usually shorter on the police models.
 
Ha, my Zombie-Defense-System!

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Puma 24" SS octagon M1892 in .45 Colt - holds 12 rounds. S&W 625MG in .45 Colt - holds 6 rounds. Both load the same way... one at a time. Okay, I do have HKS speedloaders for my 625s (I have a spare 625MG!). The knife is a Fred Vollmer goodie. I also have a 625 in .45 ACP and a 5.56 mm metal ammo box with over a hundred moonclips of.45 ACP ball ammo loaded - I am ready...

I need to get a copy of the new Nicole Kidman movie 'Invaders'... another Zombie movie... and cut back on caffein - a good suggestion for many folks!

Stainz
 
SpookyPistolero said:
Save the money, just get an 870 Home Defense or Police model. Or better yet, just go find any basic 12 ga pump, and put the money towards ammo and training. I'd be way more worried about being shot at by the guy with a 12 ga that he's worn in through a thousand rounds and some training, rather than a tricked out rig that's barely had 100 shells put through.

Extra cash for the knowledge and skill to put together a tuned precision rifle or 1911 is one thing, but they're just charging to add parts to it. I realize there are a few 'custom' benefits like the new dura/magic/super-coat or sights or whatever, but mostly it's just things you could easily add yourself for less (light, sidesaddle, sling, follower, springs...). I've got an 870 with most everything they list on some of their tricked out models, that cost me roughly half as much. We're talking about send a a wad of lead balls out at moderate ranges, not 300 yrd head shots.
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On this same note, take a look around gun shows in your area. I know there is a guy in my neck of the woods who buys all the old shotguns from various LE agencies and they are in pretty darned good shape for the money. There maybe some one near by you that does the same, just a thought.
 
If you want to go with autoloader calibers, then I think it'd be hard to beat a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 and a Glock 17 or 19 for two reasons:

1.) Can use the same magazines, including the Glock (don't use aftermarket) 33 round 9mm magazines. Not so great for the pistol, but great for the carbine.

2.) It folds and can be carried very discreetly.
 
The Marlin .45 Camp gun is accurate and reliable and takes standard Colt M1911 pistol mags. Not too tactical looking.


I think that the Marlin .357 lever gun would go good with a .38 or .357 revolver.




Frank
 
Your reasoning is sound for a same caliber/mag pistol and carbine combo. As long as you understand the compromise and limitations it's a good option for some depending on their own location/scenario. I too would prefer a full sized rifle round and the folding stock AK isn't much larger than most pistol caliber carbines. The only exception is Kel-Tech's little SUB 2000...just for the fact that you can fold it up into a very compact package.

I have packed mine in the truck as a "get-home" carbine. For less catastrophic SHTF scenarios, it's ideal...if you have to walk/hike home due to massive traffic jams, ice/snow storm and roads blocked, etc. (for me it was less than 10 miles to my house). You can carry the SUB 2000 in a very discreet bag with plenty of ammo/mags, and with a little practice, it was quick to deploy and put into action. My SUB 2000 takes the same magazines as my Sig's, plus I found out that they take the CZ 25 round magazines as well. I keep it limited to 100 yards...I the upgraded front sight and can consistently hit minute-of-pie-plate at 100 yards much faster and easier than I can with a pistol. Just don't fool yourself...it's still a pistol caliber and it just helps to accurately extend the range of a same-caliber pistol.
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The resources on this forum and various other locations have talked me out of the pistol caliber carbine (although I will eventually get one for fun - the Beretta Cx4). I am getting a Beretta Px4 in .40S&W and am leaning towards a Remington 870 Police or Mossberg 590 and a Ruger Mini-14 (.223) or a Mini-30 (7.62x39) to complete the ensemble.

I know both the 870 and 590 are quality shotguns:thumbup:, it is just a matter of finding the price I want at gun shows. Given the choice, would you choose a Mini-14 or Mini-30, or other, to complete the ensemble?
 
I lean against the Mini's for any kind of rough use in my experience. Had a couple of them growing up, reliability is OK but they are a bit notorious for low accuracy, especially as the barrel heats up (which is does quite quickly).

General rifle recommendations will be numerous and a lot will depend on what you're comfortable with. On a budget?

Some ideas are:
Marlin (or any major) levergun
AKM/SAR (probably near $500, or less used)
AR (will cost a bit more, range varies widely)
Surplus bolt action (enfield, mosin nagant- all will be dead reliable but heavy)

Saiga's are an AKM type rifle, and are very cheap. You can convert them yourself, or have them converted, or just leave them as is (they're just fine that way).

As discussed earlier, important factors are still discretion, whether or not you plan to go mobile, others in your party, etc.

A quality .22 LR bolt action is always a wise idea to add to a setup, very useful little rifles.
 
SpookyPistolero said:
I lean against the Mini's for any kind of rough use in my experience. Had a couple of them growing up, reliability is OK but they are a bit notorious for low accuracy, especially as the barrel heats up (which is does quite quickly).

General rifle recommendations will be numerous and a lot will depend on what you're comfortable with. On a budget?

Some ideas are:
Marlin (or any major) levergun
AKM/SAR (probably near $500, or less used)
AR (will cost a bit more, range varies widely)
Surplus bolt action (enfield, mosin nagant- all will be dead reliable but heavy)

Saiga's are an AKM type rifle, and are very cheap. You can convert them yourself, or have them converted, or just leave them as is (they're just fine that way).

As discussed earlier, important factors are still discretion, whether or not you plan to go mobile, others in your party, etc.

A quality .22 LR bolt action is always a wise idea to add to a setup, very useful little rifles.
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I will add a .22LR, probably a Marlin or Henry lever action.

I am torn on the budget side of the house - I originally was going to spend upward of $1000-$1300 on a Kimber 1911 .45, but then thought better of it, and settled for the Px4 .40 for $450. I figured two or three for the price of one is more efficient, as I am just beginning my collection (I will get the Kimber eventually). I was leaning towards a Mini-14 as I could pick up a pre-ban for approximately $500 (saw one for $425 last weekend).

Thanks for the suggestions...
 
You could do worse than a Mini. The one big expense is extra magazines. Ruger mags will set you back so make sure the aftermarket ones you get will function reliably.

In 7.62x39, I'd take my ChiCom SKS if I had to grab and go. I like the fact that it has a built in magazine and loads quickly with the supplied stripper clips.
 
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