SHTF: Avoiding Civilian Detention Camps

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beezaur

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Hi Guys,

Google "fema detention camp" and tell me if you are ok with that.

What would you do if civilians actually were being rounded up by the military?

Scott
 
I think they would target major population areas. If you had notice of that would definitely be a back alley bug out time.

Thing is they would be pretty clandestine about it. I guess a smart man might know beforehand.

Good thread . I wonder if there would be techniques better for avoiding military patrols?
 
This book by Ragnar Benson was an interesting read.

Some reviewers gripe that there's not enough concrete 'how to,' but I personally find the discussion of stuff like how Lebanese civilians survived during the civil war there in the 80's to be VERY informative (if not a formal 'how to' guide).
 
I would think that a roundup would be done more or less the same way it has been done in the past: people on various lists would be arrested and taken to these camps. You would have relative calm under martial law, and these arrests would proceed methodically. I would imagine you could live relatively normally, that is until your number was up. Then you would have to split or face internment.

Lots of issues to deal with: shelter, finding food, navigating without being turned in or detected. This would not be WWII Europe, either. Even with the breakdown of normal law and order the authorities would have substantial means of finding you.

Urban survival, wilderness survival, escape and evasion. This would require most or all of the skills that get discussed on this board.

Scott

P.S. Cool book, MG.
 
Something that struck me odd about a year ago, was 2 surveyors running a satelite system in our valley and I met 2 others up on a ridge while hiking. Both wore camo and carried weapons and they were using equipment to map the area into a computer. Or, that's what it appeared to be anyways. When they saw me, the laptop was closed and I was asked to move along. 6 months ago, there were other surveyors in civilian clothing and they were working along the river. One was armed. I walked by and they were polite and asked if I knew where they could find Snively's ridge. I said I didn't and kept moving. It's where I had seen the others earlier.
 
Very strange, what part of the world was that?
Maybe the location of a secret millitary bunker?

Why didnt you tell the friendlier fellas where the ridge was?
 
longbow50 said:
Something that struck me odd about a year ago, was 2 surveyors running a satelite system in our valley and I met 2 others up on a ridge while hiking. Both wore camo and carried weapons and they were using equipment to map the area into a computer. Or, that's what it appeared to be anyways. When they saw me, the laptop was closed and I was asked to move along. 6 months ago, there were other surveyors in civilian clothing and they were working along the river. One was armed. I walked by and they were polite and asked if I knew where they could find Snively's ridge. I said I didn't and kept moving. It's where I had seen the others earlier.
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I don't know if it means anything, and I don't want to elay your fears since there might be something very wrong going on.

But all I know is that surveyers often go armed even here in New Zealand for various reasons. Sometimes to kill any possums, angry boars or other pests(like cats---according to them,--- personally I love cats) they happen to come across, but also because they sometimes can run into illegal cannabis plantings in the more remote places they go to.

Dangerous, you never know what sort of unhappy and shady people you come across.

My small ranch is in a very very remote area, I've dealt with surveyers over the past couple years.
 
I'm not too worried about FEMA camps. If something really bad went down, the federal government simply wouldn't have the resources to round everyone up and herd them into camps. Bad things are happening, remember? They have to contend with that too.

So that leaves us with a bad event wherein the government decides to round up just people who are on "the list." What list is that, exactly? And what sort of an event might that be where they would want to only round up "the list" and no one else?

Personally, I'm drawing a blank, unless you're worried about a communist or fascists take-over of the US federal government.

I read some of the articles that pop up if you do a google search as suggested by the original poster to this thread. It looks to me that the FEMA camps weren't exactly prisons -- you could leave if you want to, but then you couldn't come back.

In other words, if your region suffers a serious "Katrina" style problem, as long as you have somewhere to go to for shelter and help, and as long as that somewhere DOES NOT include relying on the US federal government, FEMA probably isn't going to bother with you.

Well, they won't anyway, unless you start shooting at FEMA first.

Just my take on the likeliest scenarios.

Something to be a LOT more concerned about is a flu pandemic in which FEMA quaranteens your entire town and won't let anyone in or anyone out....
 
This is the Brown & Root Contract earlier this year.
(subsidiary of Halliburton)
They also built the ones in Iraq and Guantanamo.

Illegal Immigrants in the US are the target for this contract.

KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M

Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps


There is a lot of info out there on "Detention Camps",
Everybody has their own interpretation on them,
but they have been and still are being built here in the US.

FEMA will manage them just as the Post Office will manage civilian registration.

There are good and valid reasons for their existence,
but there is always the possibility of misuse.:(

Very interesting to read the Executive Orders.
Executive Orders Index at the Federal Register (The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration)
 
Longbow50. Just show them your longbow and arrows. As they scratch their heads trying to figure it out, head for the hills. :D

Weird situation. Are you near a base?
 
bulgron said:
So that leaves us with a bad event wherein the government decides to round up just people who are on "the list." What list is that, exactly? And what sort of an event might that be where they would want to only round up "the list" and no one else? . . .
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It has happened before. Political adversaries in Russia. Jews in Poland (I refer to the Polish government, not the Germans). It is happening right now in Iraq as I type this -- muslims of one flavor are being run out of town and/or rounded up and killed by muslims of the other flavor.

In this country it would be the same thing: anyone likely to be a problem for the current power structure. You would be arrested for subversion (or whatever they wanted to say) and put in a camp pending . . . well, ask anyone being detained in Gitmo about what the process is to be released or convicted or acquitted or . . . anything.

In Washington state it is illegal to be an active member of the communist party. It is an act of subversion, a felony (RCW 9.81). Theoretically you can be arrested for that right now. You have school children being charged with "terroristic" crimes for shooting their mouths off. The government doesn't care about anything except compliance.

As for what sort of event, it would have to be pretty severe, like a major terrorist attack. Suppose a US city was nuked. Or suppose pandemic flu brought the economy down temporarily. I would expect that could trigger government hysteria and mass arrests. The easiest thing for the government is to round up the potential problems and throw them in a pen.

If you toe the line and do as you are told, or if you don't happen to have an incompatible opinion, no problem. Otherwise, you could be arrested. This is always the way it has happened elsewhere.

Imagine having Ray Nagin (mayor of New Orleans) in charge of the US armed forces during a domestic crisis.

Scott
 
The federal government couldn't handle Katrina. Otherwise just make nice and stay under the radar. As Kevin said, a smart man will see this coming and adjust. Going to camp? Sorry, not my plan. And just who is going to run these camps, and where, and with what kind of manpower?
 
beezaur...Probably, I don't think they have a clue. And where are they, please let me know so I can stay away? We live in a vast and highly mobile society, this is not like England or Australia.
 
Emanuel said:
I don't know if it means anything, and I don't want to elay your fears since there might be something very wrong going on.

But all I know is that surveyers often go armed even here in New Zealand for various reasons. Sometimes to kill any possums, angry boars or other pests(like cats---according to them,--- personally I love cats) they happen to come across, but also because they sometimes can run into illegal cannabis plantings in the more remote places they go to.

Dangerous, you never know what sort of unhappy and shady people you come across.

My small ranch is in a very very remote area, I've dealt with surveyers over the past couple years.
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I don't know if I have any fear over it. I am within 80 miles of Ft. Hunter Liggett, which is special weapons testing, which allows hunting in some areas of the fort, usually on weekends. The Gov also has small tracts of land all up and down the wilderness areas in our area, so hard to say what they were actually doing. I did read that the gov is maping all areas of the country for sat. tracking, etc. Which is probably what it is all about. As far as weapons, the both carried sidearms and one carried a slung M16. They were standing in the middle of an old fire road, which in that area, is about all there is to walk when hiking. Thick brush and poison oak keep most people out of the actual bush.
 
I think thoughts like that should remain in our heads and not be pushed on a public forum.
 
Hunter Ligget? Longbow, that was a military camp when I was 8 years old, and my father, a WWII vet, was training troops there for the Korean War. (ok, another BS war story :) )
What's my point? Nothing. Just another name that flashed from the past.
 
beezaur said:
I would think that a roundup would be done more or less the same way it has been done in the past: people on various lists would be arrested and taken to these camps. You would have relative calm under martial law, and these arrests would proceed methodically. I would imagine you could live relatively normally, that is until your number was up. Then you would have to split or face internment.
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The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn is an excellent book to read describing what life is like in a society like the one described above. Tens of millions of Russians were sent to the camps under Lenin/Stalinist rule.

 
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