Shunned for asking ?'s

[LittlePrick]

Progunner closed my MILITARY PHOTO OP thread because it was a "troll train". Smells more like a cover-up to me.

I was indirectly threatened, insulted, and questioned many times over; yet have attempted to remain polite, respectful, and direct.

I was looking for pictures of miltary contract knives.

NO PICTURES WERE DISCOVERED!

Hundreds upon hundreds of military contract knives and not a single picture?

Troops can and do show other knives and guns all the time, so anonymity is a moot point. I have served in the military for over 13 years and have never seen a Busse knife purchased.

It is blatently obvious that some of the "enthusiasts" on this board have alterior motives. They may even be rewarded by Busse. Progunner- I checked the whole pictures thread and there are no military photos. This might not be a forum, but rather an ad campaign.

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

LP: Let's keep this as simple as possible. Call Jerry, discuss this matter with HIM, and post the results of your conversation if that is o.k. with you both. If there is anyone person who can give you a straight answer it is Jerry. Just MHO. Good luck.

 

[zenheretic]

Progunner closed my MILITARY PHOTO OP thread because it was a "troll train". Smells more like a cover-up to me.

I was indirectly threatened, insulted, and questioned many times over; yet have attempted to remain polite, respectful, and direct.

I was looking for pictures of miltary contract knives.

NO PICTURES WERE DISCOVERED!

Hundreds upon hundreds of military contract knives and not a single picture?

Troops can and do show other knives and guns all the time, so anonymity is a moot point. I have served in the military for over 13 years and have never seen a Busse knife purchased.

It is blatently obvious that some of the "enthusiasts" on this board have alterior motives. They may even be rewarded by Busse. Progunner- I checked the whole pictures thread and there are no military photos. This might not be a forum, but rather an ad campaign. I will be deleting my profile unless someone wants to do the right thing and re-open the MILITARY PHOTO OP thread.

Hate to burst any bubbles but why would anyone care if a non-paying member quite posting or "deleated" their profile. This is especially true when that someone is throwing around some bizarre conspiracy to commit fraud theory.

A good idea would be to step away from the computer, cool down, and sleep it off.

 

[Progunner]

Listen LP, if you want to request military blade pics here's how you go about it without coming off like a troll, observe.

"Hey guys, I have heard a lot about blades Jerry makes for military contracts, I would love to see some pics of them if any one has them and is free to share them."

You see how that is devoid of what most mods would consider trolling innuendo? Also, myself and other mods looked over the "threat" and we deemed there was not only no threat it didn't even smack of threatening. He was just saying that if you are going to ask hostile questions or claims, you had better consider the audience, that is all.

I am not reopening your thread, you can ask another mod if you want to. As far as I am concerned, if you want to ask for pics of contract blades, then you can do so without the accusations. No one around here has a problem with people asking for pics, that isn't what got everyone going and you know it. There isn't any cover up going on. I find that notion laughable, almost as laughable as your threat about deleting your profile.

Every one is welcome to come and participate in the sharing spirit of this forum, but when someone comes and blatantly makes accusations and stirs folks up over some non-existent "cover up", that person should not be at all surprised when he/she is met with an equal amount of hostility from its membership. I closed your thread because it was blatantly accusing even though you swear up and down all you want to do is find some pics. If I had pics of said blades, I wouldn't share them with you for two reasons:

• When Jerry sells some of the contract blades, he makes it clear that the buyer is never to show them or sell them to anyone, ever.
• I personal take issue with your attitude and earlier accusations.

That is just me though. If you want to be a productive member of the forum, great. Take note that being hostile reaps hostility.

The blades Jerry has sold over the last few months are contract blades by the way. The Muddy/Sage AD's and Meaner Streets, the EH3's, Battle Inspiried Bolo Blade, BARFs, SOULs etc are just a small list of those he has sold. With the exception of the SOULs, you can find pics of these knives right now on this forum.

 

[Str8Edg]

Well, you saw the Tali-whackers that were donated, right? The EU's, the EH-3's, the ST-56's? Then their were the Mud Razors, the new Miliganza AD's and MS's. They're not that under wraps, are they?

No offense, but you don't at all appear respectful or polite. I'll give you direct though.

 

[Hogwash]

If you want to be a productive member of the forum, great. Take note that being hostile reaps hostility.

That's right, you better clean up your act or PG will hit you with his purse.

 

[Progunner]

That's right, you better clean up your act or PG will hit you with his purse.

I'll give you such a pinch!

 

[Str8Edg]

This is just like when Will Farrell says in Talledega Nights, "I mean no disrepect, but you're a d!@khead". And his boss is like "You can't call me that", and he replies, "sure I can, I clearly said 'I mean no disrespect' ".

 

[SOLEIL]

lp,
With no disrespect.
Do us all a favor and delete yourself.
Thank you very much for your time and consideration in this matter.

 

[Billy Tee]

Progunner closed my MILITARY PHOTO OP thread because it was a "troll train". Smells more like a cover-up to me.

I was indirectly threatened, insulted, and questioned many times over; yet have attempted to remain polite, respectful, and direct.

I was looking for pictures of miltary contract knives.

NO PICTURES WERE DISCOVERED!

Hundreds upon hundreds of military contract knives and not a single picture?

Troops can and do show other knives and guns all the time, so anonymity is a moot point. I have served in the military for over 13 years and have never seen a Busse knife purchased.

It is blatently obvious that some of the "enthusiasts" on this board have alterior motives. They may even be rewarded by Busse. Progunner- I checked the whole pictures thread and there are no military photos. This might not be a forum, but rather an ad campaign. I will be deleting my profile unless someone wants to do the right thing and re-open the MILITARY PHOTO OP thread.

Be it correct or not, I pretty much agree with everything you said LittlePrick

I've served alongside US Special Force, 10th Mountain, 101st AB, Canadian, German and French Special Forces since 2001 I've never seen more than a couple of Busse knives. On my last trip I even asked around if any of the troops had heard of or seen contract supplied Busse Knives. None

Helicopter crew sighted with their preferred SUS SCROFA's none.

We are always after good quality kit so I order my own Busse knife through the web site after months of waiting and all the stories of people receiving their knives on this site, I called to be told Busse don't take credit card orders from overseas customers. I eventually bought a game warden from the company store as a hunting knife.

You people talk about respect and integrity and you are all happy to have military service attached to your Busse legend but here you have a person that has served in the military for 13 years and you treat him like dirt.

"So hey guys, I have heard a lot about blades Jerry makes for military contracts, I would love to know of any one that has actually seen a contract knife in the hands of some military people? That is an actual contract supplied knife not a private purchase over run.

I'm not disputing their existence I would genuinely like to know because we can access to US equipment and I might be to requisition myself a good knife.

You can go ahead and ban me too if you like, I rarely participate here because it's all hype and no substance.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Be it correct or not, I pretty much agree with everything you said LittlePrick

I've served alongside US Special Force, 10th Mountain, 101st AB, Canadian, German and French Special Forces since 2001 I've never seen more than a couple of Busse knives. On my last trip I even asked around if any of the troops had heard of or seen contract supplied Busse Knives. None

Helicopter crew sighted with their preferred SUS SCROFA's none.

We are always after good quality kit so I order my own Busse knife through the web site after months of waiting and all the stories of people receiving their knives on this site, I called to be told Busse don't take credit card orders from overseas customers. I eventually bought a game warden from the company store as a hunting knife.

You people talk about respect and integrity and you are all happy to have military service attached to your Busse legend but here you have a person that has served in the military for 13 years and you treat him like dirt.

"So hey guys, I have heard a lot about blades Jerry makes for military contracts, I would love to know of any one that has actually seen a contract knife in the hands of some military people? That is an actual contract supplied knife not a private purchase over run.

I'm not disputing their existence I would genuinely like to know because we can access to US equipment and I might be to requisition myself a good knife.

You can go ahead and ban me too if you like, I rarely participate here because it's all hype and no substance.

its not the question, its the delivery.

his was inflammatory, insulting, and accusatory right from the start. he was not polite, regardless of what he says. read his original post.

until your last statement, your post seemed genuine and respectful.

try and remember, this is a forum where we come to have fun and share stories and pictures.

we are not busse employees, except of course for amy and jerry who post occassionally.

i get nothing from them for offering support except the opportunity to purchase their product.

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

You can go ahead and ban me too if you like, I rarely participate here because it's all hype and no substance.

What is this referring to? The "military hype"? If so I can't address those.

If you are referring to the performance of Busse knives I can help you there. I can give you plenty of substance. I use my knives and use them hard. Often testing them doing things you just do not do with a knife. And I have PLENTY of clips/vids here on this forum. Can other knives do the same? Sure. But I know my Busse knives have been proven in my hands and not due to some internet hype.

 

[Cobalt]

You can go ahead and ban me too if you like, I rarely participate here because it's all hype and no substance.

Well, after only 7 postings it's quite obvious that you rarely post here. You came out from under the same pile as LP.

I have seen this several times in the last 2 years. I see these accounts that were opened with minimal postings and then one day they just come in here and start crap. Quite typical little MO. I am pretty sure these accounts are created by followers of some other brand.

 

[Progunner]

Be it correct or not, I pretty much agree with everything you said LittlePrick

I've served alongside US Special Force, 10th Mountain, 101st AB, Canadian, German and French Special Forces since 2001 I've never seen more than a couple of Busse knives. On my last trip I even asked around if any of the troops had heard of or seen contract supplied Busse Knives. None

Helicopter crew sighted with their preferred SUS SCROFA's none.

We are always after good quality kit so I order my own Busse knife through the web site after months of waiting and all the stories of people receiving their knives on this site, I called to be told Busse don't take credit card orders from overseas customers. I eventually bought a game warden from the company store as a hunting knife.

You people talk about respect and integrity and you are all happy to have military service attached to your Busse legend but here you have a person that has served in the military for 13 years and you treat him like dirt.

"So hey guys, I have heard a lot about blades Jerry makes for military contracts, I would love to know of any one that has actually seen a contract knife in the hands of some military people? That is an actual contract supplied knife not a private purchase over run.

I'm not disputing their existence I would genuinely like to know because we can access to US equipment and I might be to requisition myself a good knife.

You can go ahead and ban me too if you like, I rarely participate here because it's all hype and no substance.

Billy, I nor any of the other mods just ban people without letting them dig their own grave. As morimotom said, it wasn't the question, it was the delivery. I am sure if you have a need for a Busse knife, Jerry can probably fill your needs.

I am not on the inside at Busse. I don't know who orders what. I have found Jerry to be an honorable man and therefore I do not ask for proof if he says he has military contracts. It is is business and he runs it like he wants. LP can ask for pics all he likes, as long as he is civil about it. Anyone can ask questions as long as they are civil about it. We come here to have fun and shoot the bull about our knives. Most of us are no spec ops guys or anything. I personally could cares less who uses Jerry's knives, I use them and I trust them. If you are in the field and in the know and can't find them, then I don't know what to tell you. You can bet Jerry isn't going to tell anyone if they call him up and demand proof. If he has a contract with a unit and they say keep your mouth shut, then he will.

For what it's worth to LP or anyone else, I do know of one SEAL who carries a first gen Satin Jack in a sheath I made him. He's over in harm's way last I heard and I hope he comes home safe. He didn't get his through a contract though, his brother in law gave it to him after getting it from me in a round about manner. So you can count one fellow in the field using Busse steel.

 

[pmsayre153]

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Cherry pick your data and you can 'prove' or 'disprove' anything. You seem to be inclined to disbelieve and so there appears to be no possible proof that you accept because you BELIEVE otherwise. Or perhaps your request for proof was/is insufficiently specific. What would you accept? Official U.S. Gov't. photos? DOD budget line item requests? Unit P.O.s? An 'operator' to tell you in person ? Why are you, an apparent paranoid, worth the effort and would you believe any of the preceding if provided ? Who knows and who cares?

 

[Guyon]

Progunner closed my MILITARY PHOTO OP thread because it was a "troll train". Smells more like a cover-up to me.

Lynn Thompson, is that you?

Smells like a drama queen troll to me.

I was indirectly threatened, insulted, and questioned many times over; yet have attempted to remain polite, respectful, and direct.

Your original post, and subsequent posts, were inflammatory and accusatory. You got more respect in that thread than you deserved. You certainly lived up to your username.

I was looking for pictures of miltary contract knives.

NO PICTURES WERE DISCOVERED!

Hundreds upon hundreds of military contract knives and not a single picture?

The people here collect the knives--*not* images of the knives that somehow justify their possession. The knives speak for themselves.

Troops can and do show other knives and guns all the time, so anonymity is a moot point. I have served in the military for over 13 years and have never seen a Busse knife purchased.

How about you buck up then and reveal some of these photos? In seven years here at Bladeforums, I can tell you that they only pop up once in a blue moon. I'd certainly like to see your collection of photos.

It is blatently obvious that some of the "enthusiasts" on this board have alterior motives. They may even be rewarded by Busse. Progunner- I checked the whole pictures thread and there are no military photos. This might not be a forum, but rather an ad campaign. I will be deleting my profile unless someone wants to do the right thing and re-open the MILITARY PHOTO OP thread.

[world's smallest violin playing]

More drama. There is no ulterior motive, and no one is getting kickbacks from Busse. You see what you want to see because your tender skin was pricked. I doubt seriously you have 13 years in the service if you're this thin-skinnned.

Delete away. No one will miss a LittlePrick.

 

[WalterDavis]

I really want to post something constructive in this thread, but I'm afraid I've overworked my futility muscles by going out chasing women this week

I do know that it wouldn't matter if Jerry had a "ubersupersecretmallninjaaganaa" and you had to send your email on the third moonrise of the setting sun, I'd still do my best to get in on it (as long as I didn't have to carry a purse:foot: ) The knives are that good!

Walter

 

[Last Visible Canary]

"It does however sound like clever marketing; and works well in concert with Busse's economic principle of controlled supply/increased demand."

"I'm calling b.s. - somebody prove this LittlePrick wrong with a photo."

these are the two statements that seem to have started it. the first statement implies that it is fact that busse only allows only a small amount of civilian blades to be allowed on the market specifically to increase the price that can be had for them. This would go against what jerry himself has said regarding his ability to produce enough blades for civilian demand. He himself has stated that it is difficult to keep up with demand because of military orders, not (specifically) because he is controlling supply to increase demand.

Because your statement about busse's "economic principle" is a statement, rather then a suggestion, it appears as you have disregarded jerry's own statements in leue of a less admirable position (for jerry).

now, jerry (to my knowledge) has never stated wether or not he prefers to keep supplies low specifically to increase the price in the after market on these forums, he has only stated that its nice to see his knives maintaining their value in the long run. Because his prices are kept at reasonable market prices comparable to other high end semi production companies, the low supply factor does not effect the price noticeably.

Essentially - giving jerry the credit of good character that I believe he has earned on these forums thus far, I would assume that he is controlling the amount of blades that he produces for the civilian market to a level that his company is capable of producing without hindering their ability to function as a company, and without hindering other more important projects.

Not, as you state, specifically to increase demand.


Perhaps this is just grammatical misinterpretation. were it structured as ""It does however sound like clever marketing; and seems to works well in concert with Busse's perceived economic principle of controlled supply/increased demand.", it may have been taken differently.



statement number two "I'm calling b.s." is an indictment of false representation and essentially calling jerry or the company liars. "liars" is one of those words that you have to be very careful with on a forum of only text - it incites reactionary hostility, because it is a hostile word. However, "I'm calling b.s." is directly relating to busse's own statements that their military orders are holding back their ability to produce civilian blades (see "scotch dispenser" thread posted by jerry). Your "I'm calling b.s." indicates that jerry was not telling the truth when he said those things, that busse combat as a whole does not produce large numbers of contracted military issue blades. By definition, you have called jerry a liar.

These things, whether misinterpreted or not, will bring a reaction that is less then desirable for the whole of the forum. They are the beginnings of very long threads that are very likely to turn into flame wars.


as progunner has stated, one has to choose their words very carefully when posting on a forum such as this, as it is very easy to misinterpret things based solely on word choices, and grammatical structuring. Your past, your credentials, and your experiences only go so far in securing your reasoned and welcoming response on the forum as the other forum members experiences with you. If you are new to the forum, the words you choose will have a greater effect then any credential you could ever present.

 

[Guyon]

Be it correct or not, I pretty much agree with everything you said LittlePrick

I've served alongside US Special Force, 10th Mountain, 101st AB, Canadian, German and French Special Forces since 2001 I've never seen more than a couple of Busse knives. On my last trip I even asked around if any of the troops had heard of or seen contract supplied Busse Knives. None

Helicopter crew sighted with their preferred SUS SCROFA's none.

We are always after good quality kit so I order my own Busse knife through the web site after months of waiting and all the stories of people receiving their knives on this site, I called to be told Busse don't take credit card orders from overseas customers. I eventually bought a game warden from the company store as a hunting knife.

You people talk about respect and integrity and you are all happy to have military service attached to your Busse legend but here you have a person that has served in the military for 13 years and you treat him like dirt.

"So hey guys, I have heard a lot about blades Jerry makes for military contracts, I would love to know of any one that has actually seen a contract knife in the hands of some military people? That is an actual contract supplied knife not a private purchase over run.

I'm not disputing their existence I would genuinely like to know because we can access to US equipment and I might be to requisition myself a good knife.

You can go ahead and ban me too if you like, I rarely participate here because it's all hype and no substance.

Seven posts.

I think these two are (a) working in concert, or (b) the same person.

Mods, can we get an IP check?

 

[beefangusbeef]

Just because the knife was made for the military doesn't mean it was made for the United States Armed Forces. Knives have a way of leaving a unit with the people they were issued so I doubt any busses would stay with a particular unit for more than 3-5 years. You'd probably have a hard time finding any taliwhackers still in service with the same unit/group they were originally issued to. Probably still in service, but all over the place by now. Possibly resold as well. Selling equipment is a popular pastime in the military.