Shunned for asking ?'s

[Last Visible Canary]

adressing your intial question of wether military orders exist that are contracted to busse knives, I'm an also not in busse's inner circle. I can only judge what I am told, and what I have seen. there have been many knives titled "military over runs" that have been sold on the forums through busse combat. terror monkeys, tali-whackers, the sh bolo variant, and many others.

I cannot verify wether these were in fact from military orders. I only have jerry's word to go on. If you were simply asking for pictures of military blades from busse, I'd probably go looking for them, but since you are more directly asking wether or not jerry actually procures and produces military contracts - I cannot provide an answer to that.

There have been several photographs of "blade piles" and walls stacked with custom knife blanks, many of which have never been seen on these forums. I do not find it odd that no one has ever posted them, because not everyone knows about blade forums, and not everyone actually frequents forums in general. I would say that those that are on this forum specifically are in the minority of the general market, civilian or military. Many of us check this forum daily, sometimes 4-5 times a day. If someone posted a crazy custom or military knife that has never been seen, someone generally remembers it or has seen it. chances are however that if you do not check daily, it will slip by unnoticed.

again, the idea that military ordered knives do not get photographed and presented on this particular forum is not a particularly far fetched idea to me, based on what I have said above.

In order to verify what you have asked, one would either have to get the actual order paperwork from jerry, or find a company, platoon, or special operations unit that had an order in place, or had placed an order previously, and retrieve documentation regarding the equipment order. This would call for a reason to be asking for the information, which I'm not sure I could provide or even fathom given my civilian status, and my lack of direct connection to busse combat.

So again, I cannot answer the core question that you have asked. I only take jerry's word on it, because whether it is true or not is not important enough for me to take the time or effort to find verifiable evidence to confirm or contradict what has been said. I do not however believe that absence of material presented is a reasonable indictment that what has been said is false.

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

LVC: Very nicely put.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

adressing your intial question of wether military orders exist that are contracted to busse knives, I'm an also not in busse's inner circle. I can only judge what I am told, and what I have seen. there have been many knives titled "military over runs" that have been sold on the forums through busse combat. terror monkeys, tali-whackers, the sh bolo variant, and many others.

I cannot verify wether these were in fact from military orders. I only have jerry's word to go on. If you were simply asking for pictures of military blades from busse, I'd probably go looking for them, but since you are more directly asking wether or not jerry actually procures and produces military contracts - I cannot provide an answer to that.

There have been several photographs of "blade piles" and walls stacked with custom knife blanks, many of which have never been seen on these forums. I do not find it odd that no one has ever posted them, because not everyone knows about blade forums, and not everyone actually frequents forums in general. I would say that those that are on this forum specifically are in the minority of the general market, civilian or military. Many of us check this forum daily, sometimes 4-5 times a day. If someone posted a crazy custom or military knife that has never been seen, someone generally remembers it or has seen it. chances are however that if you do not check daily, it will slip by unnoticed.

again, the idea that military ordered knives do not get photographed and presented on this particular forum is not a particularly far fetched idea to me, based on what I have said above.

In order to verify what you have asked, one would either have to get the actual order paperwork from jerry, or find a company, platoon, or special operations unit that had an order in place, or had placed an order previously, and retrieve documentation regarding the equipment order. This would call for a reason to be asking for the information, which I'm not sure I could provide or even fathom given my civilian status, and my lack of direct connection to busse combat.

So again, I cannot answer the core question that you have asked. I only take jerry's word on it, because whether it is true or not is not important enough for me to take the time or effort to find verifiable evidence to confirm or contradict what has been said. I do not however believe that absence of material presented is a reasonable indictment that what has been said is false.

well said, as was your previous post.

in particular, i find the last paragraph interesting. i, by way of my profession, am in general a skeptical person. it is inherent now to my personality.

most claims of accomplishments and accolades raise my eyebrows a bit, and i normally seek qualification.

i believe jerry.

so either:
a) he is such a good liar and presents information in such a way that even i have never once questioned his integrity. though, admittedly, i have been curious about his military contracts and the processing and production required.
b) he is telling the truth.

i found busse combat, and purchased my first busse, with no knowledge of any military contracts, orders, or claims of such.

im not convinced presenting information the way he does regarding various military units and the knives he makes for them in any way increases demand or prices.

where it a clever marketing scheme, it would be far more beneficial to offer more than he does in the way of what goes where. remember the buckmaster craze in the early eighties? how many knives, or other gear, claim to be the official "whatever" of the us navy seals?

is it possible it is all made up and jerry is just a marketing wiz? i suppose so. is it possible that jerry is a visitor from another planet where infi flows like water and amy is actually the conduit with that other planet, and thus the glue holding it all together? i suppose so.

(actually, amy probably is the glue holding it all together. but i have my doubts as to whether she is the conduit to another planet. though with the proper application of clark bars, caffiene, and coors light? i suppose it is possible.)

 

[Guyon]

(actually, amy probably is the glue holding it all together. but i have my doubts as to whether she is the conduit to another planet. though with the proper application of clark bars, caffiene, and coors light? i suppose it is possible.)

Are you trying to say that Amy-0 is out of this world?

We already knew that.



LVC, you have more patience with troll tactics than I do, but your posts have all been well put. Nice job.

Again LP, if these pictures of troops showing off their knives in-country are so common (whatever brand you want to pick), I'd like to see some of them.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Are you trying to say that Amy-0 is out of this world?

We already knew that.



LVC, you have more patience with troll tactics than I do, but your posts have all been well put. Nice job.

well, in a not so subtle way, i guess i was.

 

[Billy Tee]

Seven posts.

I think these two are (a) working in concert, or (b) the same person.

Mods, can we get an IP check?

Yes only seven posts so don't listen to me. Some of us don't have the luxury of being able to access the internet every day.

Mods do all the IP checks you like you'll find my current posts are from Western Australia. If you still have the records from my earliest post you'll and you are able to trace them you will get a very interesting result.

 

[Guyon]

Yes only seven posts so don't listen to me. Some of us don't have the luxury of being able to access the internet every day.

Mods do all the IP checks you like you'll find my current posts are from Western Australia. If you still have the records from my earliest post you'll and you are able to trace them you will get a very interesting result.

Seven prior posts, and almost every single one of them has involved some complaint or slight directed at Busse.

Let us examine your posts, Billy Tee, as you have progressed as Bladeforums user. Looks like you have an axe to grind...

I ordered a CGFBM mid November and haven't had my credit card charged yet.
I bought 2 game wardens from the company store 3 weeks ago, my card has been charged but I've received nothing. I bought an SS4 last week and they were selling knives they couldn't deliver.
I don't think I'll bother any more.

Has anyone else not had their credit card charged for a CGFBM after having ordered 2 months ago.

I ordered on the web page and it went through OK I even got a confimation email. I've got a couple of knives of the copany store on my credit card, it took a long time though.

If my credit card isn't good enough for them they can keep their Knife.

Its quite easy Wash you just follow all this hype here for another 5 or 6 days then you will get some sort of hint to the actual time that the knive will apear. They tend to come up on the quater hour, they will be available for 3.25 sec and then they are all gone. Then you wait another 2 months and a few more come up.

Seems that, when you do get to the Internet, you don't have a lot to contribute, other than sour grapes.

 

[Billy Tee]

Gee you don't get out much do you Guyon?
And not very polite either, I might add.

I count 5 not 7 and not one of them complaints about Busse knives.
In fact they are all from the same thread and are all the one complaint about Busse Combat Knife Company and there reluctance to deal internationally. A matter that for me and others on that thread was never resolved.

But by all means do continue with your muck raking. I'll ignore you from now on.

I believe the topic of the thread is the existence of military contract knives and why no one has actually seen one or knows of anyone that has seen one. One would have to wonder why there is so much secrecy surrounding a simple knife.

 

[Eric Isaacson]

It is blatently obvious that some of the "enthusiasts" on this board have alterior motives. .

It's blatantly obvious that you have alterior motives.

 

[zenheretic]

You all are so covered in infi mud you just don't see beyond the hog pen.

You should thank Little Prick and his tiny minion for their insight. Only they can see through the snappy ruse perpetuated by Jerry Busse.

Just take a quick gander at his website and see how he markets knife selling to the military.

Oops it isn't there.

Ahh but it is mentioned on Bladeforums you see. with all 80000 members. Some of them actually buy Busse Blades...most don't but some do you see. They buy into the extreme lack of hype that only members can see. Yes only members can read these threads. That means very few people "out in the world" even know about this stuff.

Jerry is such a genuine genius. He purposefully limits his market to much less than 80000 peeps and further limits his market by only selling limited quantities of knives. A veritable genius. Everyone knows you get rich by limiting your audience to a tiny fraction of the world and then further limiting your production so they can't buy it.

Just give your tiny market the military carrot.

Yes you see if the military buys it, it is simply the best. It is the military you see. Never mind the countless pages of all you hogs beating the crap out of stuff...and posting pictures. Your word means nothing, your photos obviously faked. Thousands and thousands of posts discussing the product and how it performs. You silly dupes. You should thank Littleprick for bringing this to light.

 

[Eric Isaacson]

In fact they are all from the same thread and are all the one complaint about Busse Combat Knife Company and there reluctance to deal internationally.

Busse Combat has no reluctance to deal internationally. They have many international customers right here on this forum. They may have certain steps that the customer needs to take to pay for their order (International Money orders or Western Union Transfer). If you prefer not to pay in the manner that Busse Combat asks then it is not their reluctance it is yours that is holding up any international deal.

I am assuming that this is your complaint, if it is not I apologize for an incorrect assumption.

If you wonder why they have this policy read this thread for a little insight to what manufacturers must consider when receiving International orders http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365575

 

[Guyon]

Gee you don't get out much do you Guyon?
And not very polite either, I might add.

Well, I've been to the county fair a time or two, and I know a pattern when I see one.

While we're on the subject of politeness, why don't you tell me what was polite about this post?

You can go ahead and ban me too if you like, I rarely participate here because it's all hype and no substance.

That's the second time you've accused Busse Combat and/or this board of being all about hype. I can't fathom why in the world you've been so dead-set on getting a Busse.

I count 5 not 7 and not one of them complaints about Busse knives.
In fact they are all from the same thread and are all the one complaint about Busse Combat Knife Company and there reluctance to deal internationally. A matter that for me and others on that thread was never resolved.

Same thread or not, they were separate posts and the large majority of your posts here on BF.

Busse protects itself from international credit card chargebacks by requiring certain forms of payment for international sales. If you can't handle the payment requirements and really want to complain, then send Busse an email, or place a call. Both contacts are posted on their website.

But by all means do continue with your muck raking. I'll ignore you from now on.

I'm heartbroken.

I believe the topic of the thread is the existence of military contract knives and why no one has actually seen one or knows of anyone that has seen one. One would have to wonder why there is so much secrecy surrounding a simple knife.

Quite simple. It's a conspiracy. And you and LittlePrick are the dupes.

 

[steelnut]

 

[Guyon]

While I expect that pic will be deleted in pretty short order, I am very glad that we finally got evidence that the military is paying attention to LittlePrick's post.

 

[kuribo]

Your best bet is to simply ask Jerry Busse himself. Unlike the fan club here, he can handle a question of this nature without wetting himself.

I think your question is a good one. I have often wondered exactly how these military contract knives are distributed. Does the government order them and then sell them through the PX, or are they simply issued directly? I have talked with dozens of service people and none have seen them for sale or heard of anyone issued one....It would be interesting to learn exactly how it works.....

 

[Guyon]

Your best bet is to simply ask Jerry Busse himself. Unlike the fan club here, he can handle a question of this nature without wetting himself.

Great point. Please let us know after you talk to Jerry.

As for the other remark, I have to go dry myself off now, as I've wet myself for the fourth time during this thread.

Of course it's "the fan club".... IT'S THE BUSSE DISCUSSION BOARD!

Anyone who comes in here slinging accusations instead of politely asking questions ought to expect a few spurting bladders.

 

[c4man]

I think the bigger picture here is the fact that he admittedly has a little prick , allow him a little hostility

 

[rabu9]

Busse Combat has no reluctance to deal internationally. They have many international customers right here on this forum. They may have certain steps that the customer needs to take to pay for their order (International Money orders or Western Union Transfer). If you prefer not to pay in the manner that Busse Combat asks then it is not their reluctance it is yours that is holding up any international deal.

I am assuming that this is your complaint, if it is not I apologize for an incorrect assumption.

If you wonder why they have this policy read this thread for a little insight to what manufacturers must consider when receiving International orders http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365575

I'll second (Eric's post above about international customers that is) that as I have bought knives from the Swamp and Busse and all sent to Japan. I used Paypal (much safer than Credit Cards online even if there is a % charge) and never had any problems. Originally they (Busse and the Swamp) told me about their non-acceptance of international Credit Cards so I just selected an alternative payment method and Paypal is just as easy. And by the way the Busse Company Store does accept international credit cards as I bought from them too and used my credit card issued in Japan.

Now as to the military orders - who cares? If the knives are good buy them - if not then don't. And you can see how good they are by all the clips posted here and elsewhere. If that looks good then again buy them - if not then don't. Admittedly I don't post here that much but I view a lot and the video clips speak for themselves on the subject of the quality of the knives. That's what got me interested in the knives, not whether some military outfit bought them or not. So to attack the knives on the grounds of the so-called 'military marketing' (wrongly or rightly) seems to miss the point (pardon the pun - couldn't resist). And on the grounds of quality I have no complaints - and you CAN get them sent overseas. Just my two yen's worth, which at present exchange rates isn't worth much - unlike the knives!

 

[Dennis in MA]

IBTL (which is too short of a reply at BF. LOL)

 

[Guyon]

So to attack the knives on the grounds of the so-called 'military marketing' (wrongly or rightly) seems to miss the point (pardon the pun - couldn't resist). And on the grounds of quality I have no complaints - and you CAN get them sent overseas. Just my two yen's worth, which at present exchange rates isn't worth much - unlike the knives!

I'm not sure that anyone here has attacked the knives. Billy Tee seems pretty eager to get ahold of one, and LittlePrick claims he is a fan of the knives.

What has been attacked, however, and this is a much more serious move, is the integrity of Busse Combat in general. Charges of hype, false advertising, etc. have been pressed, and these strike at the integrity of people that many of us here on the board know. If you want to cut through all the horse manure, the posters leading such charges are insinuating that Jerry and his company are liars. I think this is why there has been a pretty quick backlash here against two posters in particular.