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Guyon said:
I'm not sure that anyone here has attacked the knives. Billy Tee seems pretty eager to get hold of one, and LittlePrick claims he is a fan of the knives.

What has been attacked, however, and this is a much more serious move, is the integrity of Busse Combat in general. Charges of hype, false advertising, etc. have been pressed, and these strike at the integrity of people that many of us here on the board know. If you want to cut through all the horse manure, they are calling Jerry and his company liars. I think this is why there has been a pretty quick backlash against two posters in particular who are making such charges.
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Fair point, I hadn't thought of it in quite that way. I was not thinking of military orders as a particularly good thing in marketing given the crap the British MOD routinely issues. But not everyone has that viewpoint so I see your point. Seems valid enough to me, your point that is not the complaints in this thread.
 
I went back and reread both threads. Actually, LittlePrick was pretty respectful in the first one, despite his annoying repetition of "SHOW ME THE PICTURE!"

It was only in this thread that the tone turned uglier, and he started accusing folks of a coverup and of getting some sort of kickbacks from Busse.

Billy Tee, on the other hand, has had his panties in a wad since day one, when Busse Combat apparently wouldn't take his international credit card.
 
As far as I'm concerned, Jerry can market his knives as if they're the official knife of the Keebler Elves.
Here's why I buy his blades...

Howling Rat Vid

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360joules said:
As far as I'm concerned, Jerry can market his knives as if they're the official knife of the Keebler Elves.
Here's why I buy his blades...

Howling Rat Vid

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Uhmmm.... Busse Combat actually is the official knife of the Keebler Elves.

That Jerry doesn't miss a trick.

Here's a recent promotional pic of a Sus Scrofa.

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I call BS on the Elfganza...you got proof that keebler Elves Use the "Cookie Cutter" ? ok ..I can hear the crickets...
 
The Desert Jack was my first lust from Wauseon. I scored a 1st gen Howling Rat before I managed to get a DJ.

Only during my search, did I discover that the DJ was a mil-overrun. Personally, I could have cared less - I was buying a knife, a warranty... not hype or marketing or that I might be using a knife preferred by "high-speed operators." :rolleyes: Frankly, nothing will turn me off faster than marketing that I could be like them by purchasing similiar equipment. My days as a poser died a long time ago...

Buy what you want because you want it. Anything else, in my eyes, is mall ninja.

From what I've seen, Jerry doesn't market his civilian sales on the hype of his mil contracts. There have only been mention of particular design elements (ie. SS and chopper crews.)

Like it or leave it but if you insist on whining, please do it on Momma's shoulder. I'm here to buy knives that work.

FWIW, my brother was attached as SF (Combat Control Team / Air Force) back in the early eighties. After years in AK, he spent a lot of time in Noriega-land. I saw pictures of landscapes. I saw pictures of 3rd world cities. I never saw pictures of Ops or equipment.
 
Billy Tee said:
Yes only seven posts so don't listen to me. Some of us don't have the luxury of being able to access the internet every day.

Mods do all the IP checks you like you'll find my current posts are from Western Australia. If you still have the records from my earliest post you'll and you are able to trace them you will get a very interesting result.
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Not all people who own Busse knives, overrun or not, feel the overwhelming need to post pictures of their kit contents.

It amazes me that the fact that no one posted pics, on a holiday, within less than an 8-hour period led at least two people to thereby determine/announce that it is a vast right-trough conspiracy to defraud/mislead/hype the knife buying public.

Funny that one of those people has had nothing positive to say about Busse deliveries, card acceptance, or customer base during his 7 months as a member of Bladeforums, and all of his posts are in the Busse forum.

We know from experience it is not the quantity of posts that determines ones credibility, but the quality of the content. Accusatory and inflammatory comments are not, at least in my humble opinion, something that would be considered in the positive quality column.

Would that person research WHY the international sale situation is now what it is, it would enable a more learned discussion, instead of the accusatory mudslinging he seems to want to perpetuate.

I did do a search of his IP addresses, and all were from .au. Nothing amazing jumps out.

The originator of the other thread certainly could use some refinement in their inter-social communication methods. Again, it was not the question, but the manner it was originally presented, and actions/posts thereafter, that elicited many of the responses.

All of us here, with the exception of Jerry, Amy, Kendra, and Garth, are customers of Busse. We (the customers) do not have any reason or expectation to be able to bring forth irrefutable proof of usage by anyone other than ourselves or whoever has chosen to provide pictures of their use/ownership.

Just because we cannot provide your photographic evidence as requested, does not in any way mean that Busse blades are not used/sold/provided in the service of our or any otehr countries armed forces.

I suggest you both e-mail Jerry with your concerns, and take this off the forums, lest your time here be shortened because of a lack of restraint in your social interaction skills.

Thanks for your interest in Busse Knives.

Mike
 
thatmguy said:
It amazes me that the fact that no one posted pics, on a holiday, within less than an 8-hour period led at least two people to thereby determine/announce that it is a vast right-trough conspiracy to defraud/mislead/hype the knife buying public.
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Mike, well put all around. You show a great deal of poise and restraint, more than I have certainly.

I'll give you credit when I quote the above phrase in the future. :p
 
Does having a military contract or selling your product to the military really help in marketing your product to the general public? I am curious why so many people believe that in order for a product to be absolutely the best, it must have been used by military personnel in the field, or been designed by ex-soldiers. Do military personnel really use their knives differently than the rest of us? do they really put them to the extreme test? I am not convinced that this is the case!

I would rather see a photo/review from a professional hunter, farmer, butcher, or a chef; someone who uses their knife daily to make a living. A brutal (yet subjective and entertaining) knife test by C.S. holds more weight with me than the knowledge that a company sells it’s product to the military or military personnel. The fact that Jerry produces knives for the military to me is irrelevant and does not impact my buying decisions whatsoever. I don't believe it would make one iota of difference to anyone if his company was the "Busse Knife Company" instead of the "Busse Combat Knife Company". Jerry makes functional, high quality, and aesthetically pleasing knives... that's all that really matters !

In my opinion, Jerry is a marketing genius with a business plan that is second to none in the industry. He has created a civilian market for his knives and a very loyal following (me included). This being said, no matter how well you run your business, no matter how good of a salesman you are, if you do not produce a superior product that meets or exceeds all consumer demands and expectations, you will very quickly loose your customers and your business. Jerry has been in the industry for a long time which speaks volumes about his character, his company, and his product.

 
Paddling_man said:
The Desert Jack was my first lust from Wauseon. I scored a 1st gen Howling Rat before I managed to get a DJ.

Only during my search, did I discover that the DJ was a mil-overrun. Personally, I could have cared less - I was buying a knife, a warranty... not hype or marketing or that I might be using a knife preferred by "high-speed operators." :rolleyes: Frankly, nothing will turn me off faster than marketing that I could be like them by purchasing similiar equipment. My days as a poser died a long time ago...

Buy what you want because you want it. Anything else, in my eyes, is mall ninja.
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I agree with that. Also my Desert Jack was the fourth Busse family knife I purchased (they're hard to find) but actually the third to arrive, after a Rat Mastiff and an urban camo SAR Rat. I didn't know anything about the DJ's military pedigree either as I bought it because it was a good fit in size between the other two (and those two really impressed me) and I liked the style and design. I found a Safari Skinner 'ganza just before that even though it came after the DJ and eventually bought some more Swamp Rats. It was a while before I stepped up a price bracket to Busse and that also had nothing to do with military marketing either. I got one of the so-called Nasa HHFSH's on the 'bay but only bought that because the seller was in Germany and would ship to Japan when the other sellers there would not ship outside the US. It was nothing to do with NASA marketing either as I didn't even know what that was all about until afterwards when I asked on the forum here. That's my favourite chopper now although that may change when my FFBM gets here when Dwayne finishes it's sheath. My guess then is that the military thing doesn't influence many here to buy as they buy because of the knife not the marketing.
 
Eric Isaacson said:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271950
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Check it out, Little Prick. Why don't you buy a Busse and see if they live up to the "hype". "Hype" which you see loudly trumpeted....where? Is Busse buying full-page ads in gun magazines, proclaiming their affiliation to military units? The only mentions I've ever seen in regards to Busse's involvement has been in passing here on the forums- where almost everyone has already been sold on their knives already.
 
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