Since the Japan crisis....

TrailWolf said:
If I saw you during a disaster I'd probably pick you off from 200 yards with my scoped 1894.

See I have always been of the mindset to keep my goodies out of sight to make myself less of a target to those ambitious mofos out there who don't have as nice stuff and are good at distance shots...

So no calling attention to oneself...

Nice pack btw - I love my Kifaru gear and thinking if picking up a ZXR to compliment my Mollex.
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Again, i wont be the only person wearing that stuff...everyone will be looting, rioting, killing etc...what are you going to be wearing? a business suit and a briefcase? :D

I mean we all will be carrying guns and backpacks...mine just has a sword and another gun which id happily let someone else in my crew have....do you think i want to carry 3 guns plus ammo, plus survival stuff? but i have an infant son and 3 y/o daughter who cant carry anything. so the wife will be carrying them...so im obviously hindered already...im not gonna ditch them to move faster...i guess ill have to take my chances...and lets say that i may or may not euip this thing fully depending on the situation...but at least if i need to i will have what i need on hand and the straps and holders to carry a bunch of guns on foot...
 
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Newazzkikr said:
I really don't understand how this relates to the natural disasters in Japan. It's not a war over there you know...
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domestic/civil wars break out when natural disasters occur because people freak out and riot...be prepared for anything:eek::eek::D
 
I appreciate your intentions to be prepared, i have four children and a wife as well. remember that being ready for the shit to go down is more about your mental discipline and resourcefulness rather than your gear. you will improvise gear if you are focused, you will stumble around and fall with too much gear without the right mental attitude. All the best talk about having the right mindset for survival. It's true, if it makes any sense I am always revising my "bugout" gear and yet I find myself with the reality that all i need is my knife, probably my shotgun and the mindset that I will not ever, ever, quit. I wish you the best of luck.
 
I don't know about bug out, but as a camping set up thats pretty awesome all around. :thumbup:

I carry 16lb's of general gear as edc, let alone the pack I'd have that would probably rival your set up without the guns. as long as your not humping 130lb's all day every day and messing up your back, it's nice to have the gear when you need it. it's always nice to see someones kifaru or mystery ranch rig.
 
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One of the problems you have there is that all your weapons and knives are on the pack ... the first thing that get's ditched in a fire fight is the pack ... at least that is how it works in the military ... because you cannot be effective with it i.e. move/ go prone and still shoot ...

It would be better to work in "stages" ... develop a "belt kit" using military webbing which has the "core basics" ... water, water filter,gas mask, food, ammo, metal cup for cooking, fire-lighting gear, washing gear, navigation kit, medical kit, binos and "ONE" knife ... a Basic 9 is my choice but anything like a SAR 8 or a lightweight similar knife is all you will have room for but carrying a multi tool works too in addition to the main knife. I put in a down jacket that can fold away to a coke can size for emergency night time warmth in a pouch and have a gore-tex bivi bag on the belt webbing. All this I can "live" with and then look to weapons ... because "running away" is still an option with what is then carried. I like a silenced .22 pistol for "food" ... plenty of ammo can easily be carried ... and it works for "overt" weapon use rather than "defensive" use ... I usually have that in a shoulder holster beneath my smock.

Then you want a primary defensive weapon ... take your pick ... shotgun or a rifle ... lightness counts and one is all you would need ... if it gets "bad" and your still living ... plenty of others will be lying around.

Your main pack has supplimental stuff ... food, ammo, sleeping bag, kip mat or hammock and more advanced first aid supplies and spare boots/clothing but only one set of each.Stuff you can ditch if you need to and come back to if you survive a contact.

In many years of being in the military "gas masks" were often seen as a PITA ... but in natural disasters where smoke and dust and even ash if it is a volcanic disaster or air bourne radiation in small doses as per Japan ... the gas mask is a key bit of kit ... one extra filter is best off on you and others in the pack. Do the same with a water filter.

NBC suits are a bit of a waste IMO ... a water proof layer which can be washed down and dust removed is about as good as you can expect if radiation is an issue.

However, you don't really want to be carrying as much as you are .... way too many bits and pieces there .... 60 lbs is what works best and that includes water. If you are "moving on foot" you have to trust in your skills to re-supply food and water ... not try and carry everything. The same with ammo and/or weapons. Catering for "long term" survival is all about knowing what to carry for a few days survival ... and keep "re-supplying" as you go ...
 
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Cappy2cap said:
everyone and their mother will be toting a gun and a backpack....so its unlikely i might be the only one looking as I do...others will prob have wagons or shopping carts full of shit...my pack relative to a shopping cart/wagon is more mobile and all-terrain....try pushing a radio flyer through the woods! And you wouldnt shoot me cuz Id shoot your ass first :D:thumbup:
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I live in Los Angeles....been through the riots and the 94 quake. No one was running around looking like you. You are a walking target.
 
Screwdriver said:
I live in Los Angeles....been through the riots and the 94 quake. No one was running around looking like you. You are a walking target.
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thats because everyone in LA is trying to save their Rolexes and Cocaine..:D:D If you were in say, Idaho, more people would be carrying backpacks and guns...I dont know what you expect people with bug-out bags to look like...would a Prada fanny pack be better? Thats very LA!;) or no backpack with just a gun? let me ask you what gear you think i shouldnt be carrying? Maybe one gun less and not the AK? I can understand that. But then i would be a guy with a backpack and a shotgun still...
 
LWILLIAMS said:
Why a bayonet on the pistol when you have a big knife in your hand?
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for looks i guess...nothing else really...ive replaced my little pistol knife with a flashlight...so i really dont put too much stock in its usefulness....just bought it more for sh!ts and giggles
 
PeterPHWS said:
One of the problems you have there is that all your weapons and knives are on the pack ... the first thing that get's ditched in a fire fight is the pack ... at least that is how it works in the military ... because you cannot be effective with it i.e. move/ go prone and still shoot ...

It would be better to work in "stages" ... develop a "belt kit" using military webbing which has the "core basics" ... water, water filter,gas mask, food, ammo, metal cup for cooking, fire-lighting gear, washing gear, navigation kit, medical kit, binos and "ONE" knife ... a Basic 9 is my choice but anything like a SAR 8 or a lightweight similar knife is all you will have room for but carrying a multi tool works too in addition to the main knife. I put in a down jacket that can fold away to a coke can size for emergency night time warmth in a pouch and have a gore-tex bivi bag on the belt webbing. All this I can "live" with and then look to weapons ... because "running away" is still an option with what is then carried. I like a silenced .22 pistol for "food" ... plenty of ammo can easily be carried ... and it works for "overt" weapon use rather than "defensive" use ... I usually have that in a shoulder holster beneath my smock.

Then you want a primary defensive weapon ... take your pick ... shotgun or a rifle ... lightness counts and one is all you would need ... if it gets "bad" and your still living ... plenty of others will be lying around.

Your main pack has supplimental stuff ... food, ammo, sleeping bag, kip mat or hammock and more advanced first aid supplies and spare boots/clothing but only one set of each.Stuff you can ditch if you need to and come back to if you survive a contact.

In many years of being in the military "gas masks" were often seen as a PITA ... but in natural disasters where smoke and dust and even ash if it is a volcanic disaster or air bourne radiation in small doses as per Japan ... the gas mask is a key bit of kit ... one extra filter is best off on you and others in the pack. Do the same with a water filter.

NBC suits are a bit of a waste IMO ... a water proof layer which can be washed down and dust removed is about as good as you can expect if radiation is an issue.

However, you don't really want to be carrying as much as you are .... way too many bits and pieces there .... 60 lbs is what works best and that includes water. If you are "moving on foot" you have to trust in your skills to re-supply food and water ... not try and carry everything. The same with ammo and/or weapons. Catering for "long term" survival is all about knowing what to carry for a few days survival ... and keep "re-supplying" as you go ...
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Those are some good ideas...seems like my next purchase should be a belt kit...any suggestions on where to get one...

Remember though that this pack holds guns for both me and my wife...she wont be able to lug rifles and kids but if we have the opp, then she will be using the rifle and i the shotty...if i dont carry it for her then it will get left at home.. So techinically its a rig for two people, each with a primary gun (rifle=wife, and shotty=me). I can def switch my 44 magnum holster to my belt and use my Tank Buster as my belt knife, but i cant imagine with a back pack like that, i would have enough belt room for a gas mask and all. The hip support belt on the backpack would seem like it would get in the way
 
BigLebowski65 said:
I still read this thread as an attempt to be funny........somehow:confused:...I just don't get it.
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yes i always post with humor...yes there is a bit too much gear on this rig...but the fact that the pack can hold whatever i need makes it more useful IMO than something that cant hold a lot of gear, no?
 
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I think if you were to post your OP on a survival forum (minus the war face) you may get few constructive advises along the lines of what PeterPHWS and Tobias suggested.
 
BigLebowski65 said:
I think if you were to post your OP on a survival forum (minus the war face) you may get few constructive advises along the lines of what PeterPHWS and Tobias suggested.
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obviously, i meant it to be a little goofy or i wouldnt have made the stupid face or taken the pictures in my bed room...i love constructive criticism.. Even Screwdriver and trailwolf makes legit points about being too big of a target....although neither of them have told me what type of street "camo"/gear i should be carrying my stuff in as to not get noticed.

REMEMBER though that i will have an infant and 3 y/o with me...i will not be sprinting anywhere...i cannot ditch them or move faster than the slowest person in the group.

technically, i have all my guns in a safe and would need to get them out to put in my Bugoutbag....so it would depend on the situation. I might not even have time to load them up....the only gun i keep outside of my safe is the 44 magnum...so that may be the only gun i bring.

Like the DUDE, i will abide!
 
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Screwdriver said:
I live in Los Angeles....been through the riots and the 94 quake. No one was running around looking like you. You are a walking target.
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in an LA riot situation, people were just abandoning their houses and lives...they were boarding themselves up and hoping for the best...in that situation, i would prop stay put in my house as well...safer than going around on the streets, but there are situations where you need to leave your house asap and will not be able to return ever....that is the sit this bag is for...it will let me live in the woods for about a week with food, water shelter and protection... In LA people wanted TV's and merchandise....stuff that will do you no good in the end of times. If there was just a riot, i would just have a gun because i can always just return home for the rest of my gear...remember, i am talking about something where it would be safer to leave home for good than stay...and yes everyone in that situation will have their "need to live" stuff on them...everyone, that is, willing to leave home in order to survive.
 
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