Slice ceramic utility knives

marcinek said:
Wait...it is the politically correct "snowflakes" or "big business" responsible for this?
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Both. Its big business protecting themselves from the snowflakes that have no clue what personal responsibility is all about. This is about some dope trying to open a carton will a cell phone in the other hand, cutting off a finger and suing because the knife was too sharp, therefore a "dangerous instrument" and should not be freely distributed without proper training and safety precautions and protective gear...and as a result its the business owners fault that they got hurt...so, you get what we have here today...
 
Cynics like you make cynics like me smile. I'm not the only one who sees both sides losing these arguments.

All of their lives, these kids have been taught that actions have no consequences, and that they don't need to be smart, that's what their phone is for. They have no idea what really happens when you put too much pressure on a dull knife. Or stick your bumper out in an intersection too far because you're too busy looking at your phone to keep your foot on the brake.

In MY OPINION, I think we've made the world too safe and soft. Natural selection has given way to hybridization of the species, and overpopulation. We have done our kids an incredible disservice. They're stupid enough to eat laundry detergent, need I say more?
 
That was an overblown phenomenon that people were doing as a stunt for attention, and boy howdy did it ever work. If you really judge an entire generation by the foolish actions of a few then I'm sorry to inform you that every single generation of human beings fails to meet standard. Members of our species have been doing dumb stuff since time immemorial. Some companies prefer to spend less time training employees in proper tool usage and to simply issue them with safety'ed up tools, often out of fear of litigation (that's lawyers' fault, frankly) or due to a high turnover rate that makes that training expensive when you're counting pennies at scale. Others continue to issue tools that are appropriate for experienced and mindful users. You mostly see the ultra-safety'ed tools issued in settings where the size of the company is large enough to make it a tempting target for litigation.
 
Yup, turnover rates make proper training expensive, and turnover rates are usually high only if the job sucks.
Now this is ironic, since these ultra safe and ultra unfunctional tools only make already bad job even harder.

I also understand that companies fear of getting sued, but company where I currently work at has thought a way to solve these things. You get a budget for stuff that you need and you buy it yourself - at company's expense.
If you bought a tool and you injured yourself with it down the road - that is on you.

I only used budget for clothing, because of the strict dress code that applies for my position, as for other things, I don't really remember having to buy either boxcutters or anything else, but some of my coworkers did, since they need that for their work.
 
Puppadore said:
There are too many snowflakes here. Why use a utility knife to open a box when you can use a machete?

the world has become too safe and politically correct. Use a machete or a battle axe.
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Real utility knife means useful and beneficial, which assumes useful for mutliple things and being versatile, as opposed to be able to be very limited ammount of tasks, and barley be sufficent for it.

Small tiny blade meaning you have to get your hand very close to what you're cutting and possibly have to twist your wrist in weird angles... rounded tip meaning it just got much harder to cut the tape... at this point I'd rather use my key to unbox something.
It's about as efficcient as the "utility" "knife" you described.

I don't think we should all use machetes or battle axes to unbox stuff, and regular boxcutter is very far from things you described... therefore I find it funny.
It's funny that this got you triggered enough for such response, and to bring battle axes and machetes into the story after I only said there is nothing wrong with good old boxcutter is just hilarious :D

Boxcutter is very far from things you described :D

I can see why these ultra safe knives exist, lawyers, lawsuits and such stuff, so I get it why some companies use them (and at the end, bosses who decide to buy these things to their employees aren't the ones who will have to use them so they don't really care).

But I kinda can't see why would someone buy one for their personal use...
Do you wear knee, elbow and head protection when going for a jog or walk?
It is kinda same story here...
 
Arathol said:
Nothing to do with safety, everything to do with political correctness and limiting legal exposure.
The only reason that any company does stuff like this is to prevent the inevitable lawsuits filed by the idiots of the world after they cut themselves or somebody else with a "dangerous tool" that was given to them to use as part of their job responsibilities.
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No, that's not the only reason. Less cuts means less lost productivity and less expenditures on healthcare.
 
Puppadore said:
There are too many snowflakes here. Why use a utility knife to open a box when you can use a machete?

the world has become too safe and politically correct. Use a machete or a battle axe.
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Please, only soyboys have to use this newfangled thing called "metalworking". Why not use a Mousterian hand axe?
 
Smiling said:
Real utility knife means useful and beneficial, which assumes useful for mutliple things and being versatile, as opposed to be able to be very limited ammount of tasks, and barley be sufficent for it.

Small tiny blade meaning you have to get your hand very close to what you're cutting and possibly have to twist your wrist in weird angles... rounded tip meaning it just got much harder to cut the tape... at this point I'd rather use my key to unbox something.
It's about as efficcient as the "utility" "knife" you described.

I don't think we should all use machetes or battle axes to unbox stuff, and regular boxcutter is very far from things you described... therefore I find it funny.
It's funny that this got you triggered enough for such response, and to bring battle axes and machetes into the story after I only said there is nothing wrong with good old boxcutter is just hilarious :D

Boxcutter is very far from things you described :D

I can see why these ultra safe knives exist, lawyers, lawsuits and such stuff, so I get it why some companies use them (and at the end, bosses who decide to buy these things to their employees aren't the ones who will have to use them so they don't really care).

But I kinda can't see why would someone buy one for their personal use...
Do you wear knee, elbow and head protection when going for a jog or walk?
It is kinda same story here...
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Slice's zirconia blades are nowhere near as dull as a key. It has an actual edge, it's just not the "shaving sharp" type.
 
Smiling said:
I'd rather use my key to unbox something.
It's about as efficient as the "utility" "knife" you described.
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Beat me to it. I've done that many times along with using a pen or any other kind of semi-pointed item including the corner of a p-38 can opener that's on my keys. When I did work around a lot of boxes they gave us the little thin openers that have snap-off blade portions and they had a little box thing mounted on the wall to snap them off and collect the snapped off ends. I've never seen another box like it and it worked pretty well. At that same place we also had to use "guns" that had a thick sharp needle and put the plastic price tag dangler with the tag attached through the fabric of clothing. It would have been silly not to trust us with sharp box cutters but expect us to use those pricing guns just fine with no injuries. I only worked there one summer but nobody got hurt, you just have to respect the tool and keep your mind on the job.
 
I believe there has to be a balance, there are great safety features that are incorporated in power tools like circular saw breaks & table saw stops. These features are there when you need them and do not hinder you when you don't. This is a company trying to find a niche in the market. If it is an ineffective product the market will show it. I can imagine some accounting manager at a company that decides to use these things asking, "Why are we spending so much money on utility knives?" and putting a stop to the whole thing.
 
I have utility knives available at work, ergonomic $35+ things that work really well. But, I use my $300 White River Sendero Classic most of the time, it cuts easier than the razor knife and is more controllable, and I use needle nose pliers for staples. I bought the Sendero intending it to become a part of my hand, and to get to that point, THAT'S where it has to be. Cleared it with the CEO at my job, and I use it every day. Also makes a hell of a steak knife(after cleaning off the tape gum and a good wash). I don't miss the company supplied tools. At all.
 
A lot of industrial box cutters have a tape slitter on them. Nothing more than a little sheet metal nub with a 90° angle on it. Doesn't interfere with the real blade and keeps ya' from getting PSA gunk all over the blade meant for cardboard and fiberglass-reinforced gummed tape.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
A lot of industrial box cutters have a tape slitter on them. Nothing more than a little sheet metal nub with a 90° angle on it. Doesn't interfere with the real blade and keeps ya' from getting PSA gunk all over the blade meant for cardboard and fiberglass-reinforced gummed tape.
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Yeah, those work.
Tape is one of those things that can really humble a knife rather quickly.
No matter how sharp you are, you're going to drag with layers of tape flapping along the edge of your blade.
 
I'm not a knife snob, I guess. I don't mind having a specialized tool for a specific task. For cutting open a taped box, the Slice cutters work just fine, and the edge appears to be more durable than the razor blades in standard box cutters.
 
Smiling said:
It is not illegitimate, but it's executed in such way to have negative impact on functionality.

It also has more to do with political correctness than safety.

If you ever had to work with these you'd know how difficult it is and how frustrating these things are...

They should spend more time teaching people common sense than designing such things.

Know the "Don't try to fix it if it isn't broken"?
Well, this applies here, good old boxcutter still works better than any of these toys...
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AMEN!

I don't know about you all, but I'm really sick and tired of society and their dumbing down of same for the sake of both he political correctness and the 'other' murky factor of the steady removal of all dangerous tools that may inflict injuries by accident or otherwise. These are the same people that would ban all firearms for the sake of the safety of society and tell you if you ant to practice marksmanship to go use and air gun.

The U.K., Denmark, and other socialist leaning countries have already made it impossible to carry a knife, menacing objects that they are.:eek: These plastic toys are just another step in the direction of them saying "See, we've been opening packages with a non steel bladed knife that won't cut you, so you don't really need those knives that we're banning."

You need to open a lot pf packages? Go get a real box cutter and learn to keep your fingers out of the way. This thing is a long step in a wrong direction!!

"Do not go gentle into that good night."
 
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Well I find it counterproductive that knife enthusiasts will opt for something like that honestly...
FireDragon76 said:
I'm not a knife snob, I guess. I don't mind having a specialized tool for a specific task. For cutting open a taped box, the Slice cutters work just fine, and the edge appears to be more durable than the razor blades in standard box cutters.
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More durable until you need to cut cardboard and it snaps instead of flexing, since ceramic is brittle...
 
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