"Slowly I turned..."

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And there it was, the friction folder.

I had never really been aware of the friction folder per se as a real knife until Fausto and Alfredo posted all those photo's of the beautiful knives of their country. Most of the friction folders I was familiar with, were the Svord, which is really too big for convenient pocket carry, and some other stuff I had only seen in books. After all, who uses a friction folder in this day and age. I had never run into one.

Or so I had thought.

Since 1982, I'be had an ongoing love affair with the French Opinel. I'd buy one, sand it down and stain and varnish it into something prettier than it was to begins with. Then someone would admire it, and usually it would be someone who was not a knife person but could use a nice sharp knife in their life, so I would gift it out to them, go buy another one and sand and stain and start the proscess all over again. I'd always kept at least one Opinel around for the dirty work like breaking down boxes, and whatever. Between the Opinel and Victorinox classic, I must have given away a ton of them. Converting non knife folks into knife nuts is a crusade that never ends. But I had never really thought of the Opinel as a friction folder. After all, it's a lock blade, right?

Then I started to think about all the times I had used the Opinel without bothering to twist the lock. Just a piece of sting or twine, or slitting open a box the UPS truck had dropped off, it was easy to slip the blade of the Opinel into the box and cut strait back along the seam to cut the packing tape. Opening a plastic bag was easy, open knife, cut, close knife. No twisting the lock because it just wasn't needed. Without really thinking about it, I had been using a friction folder for thirty years without thinking about it. Then Fausto and Alfredo posted pictures.

I took off the locking ring on a number 8 Opinel, and with a ball peen hammer snugged up the joint. I then carried and used the now non locking Opinel for daily stuff. Open a box? No problem. Karen and I sharing a sandwich? Opinel slices it in half. Making a pepperoni pizza from scratch at home? The Opinel sliced pepperoni with ease. It was then that a strange alien thought entered my mind.

Do I need a knife with a back spring at all?

I found, very much to my surprise, I liked the way a friction folder worked for an edc. No backsprngs meant I could tap the Opinel against something like the heel of a boot, a tree, and have it open enough so I didn't have to remove my gloves in cold weather. I found that with now 'older' hands, there was no repercussion of my fingers slipping off the blade if I was a bit careless opening my knife. The blade didn't snap shut, it just stayed right there where you left it 1/3 open. And then there was the intangible charm of using a beautifully simple knife that went way back to Roman times. With a 2,000 year history, that's traditional! I saw a video of a small factory in Spain that had been making penny knives like that since the 1600's. I believe Nontron in France has been in business that long as well.

It was a startling bit of thinking, and a little scary. After all, I had grown up with knives with springs. Jackknives, barlows, daddy barrows, stockmen, TL-29's, peanuts, Swiss Army knives, scout knives. And then there was the ultimate, the Excalibur of scout knives, the original Remington carried by Mr. Van, the demi god of troop 469. Mr. Van didn't bother leaping tall buildings, he just kicked them aside. And he carried a knife with back springs. How could I think of something so alien, so...for lack of better words, un-American? Would the sun rise in the west? Would I be a traitor to democracy, motherhood and apple pie, not necessarily in that order?

I found myself looking at a big knife website that had some small pocket size Patadda's for sale. I browsed the web site looking at Michael Morris friction folders. I contemplated trying a Svord knife. I have to admit I'm a little startled by my changing mindset. It would be like going from a Harley Davidson motorcycle to a Vespa motor scooter. Oh wait, I already did that. Or sticking with Marlin lever action rifles in an age where black tactical rifles are the hot thing. Oh wait, I did that too.

So, how many here have carried and used a friction folder in the real world? Svord, Morris, whatever?

Carl.
 
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I use my Opinel the same way. I'll guess I've only used the locking ring a very few times.
 
I've never used one. I did see a picture of one in the exchange recently that had a bone handle and the friction part that stuck out was made into a loop that was then twisted back around on its shaft. I wish I would have copied the picture. It was just in the past couple of days though. Sorry I don't have any info, but I like the way that you write.
 
Hey Carl, Spain is somewhat similar to Italy and we also have beautiful and simple friction folders
Take a look at this Taramundi from the northwest of my country
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I'll try to take better pics this weekend
Mateo
 
I have both the standard and the mini Svord Pesant knives. The mini is a great deal as its ultimately more pocketable, I supect you would appreciate one.

I'm also the owner of a MM which is a good knife....BUT really not very UK friendly (pity too as its great for libation libertation).
You are very welcome to make a new home for it if you wish Carl?
 
Ah, excellent stuff Mateo.....

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I really enjoy my lil 'mundi. A much nicer knife by far than an Opinel.
 
After two days of opening my new GEC outlaw and trying to lighten it's pull a bit, I picked up my Opinel #6 and went into the kitchen to cut up some vegetables. Amazing simplicity! Are there two-bladed friction folders out there?
 
I have been carrying my Opinel #7 a lot since I got it a month or so ago. I really like the simplicity of it and how lite and comfortable it is in my pocket. I do use it without the lock ring for very simple tasks but like the lock for any extended or slightly bigger chores. I am really surprised how much I like it. I guess that's why it is good to try new things. I feel a little funny tho reaching into my knife cabinet which holds hundreds of dollars worth of knives and pulling out my 9 dollar Opinel.
Jim
 
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I've owned at least 20 Opinels, and given away most of them, Carl, for reasons similar to yours!
But I haven't gone over to the dar . . .uhh. . light side yet! :D
Maybe when I get a little older, hmmmm?

Those Taramundis are absolutely GREAT, Lute!!:thumbup:
 
I once had a Japanese higo knife with an excellent laminated steel blade.

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I used it around the house a little, but I never carried it. No way to keep it closed without using a sheath.

It was a neat little thing, but I never figured out what it did any better than a slip joint. In the end I relegated it to novelty status and limited it to very light duty.

- Christian
 
You're early! (I've got a higonokami but I haven't carried it yet.) But then, I know exactly what you're talking about with the Opinel -- I picked up a No6 on a motorcycle trip, and used it for this-n-that for years. I hardly ever bothered with the lock, except to hold it closed in my pocket. (Not sure what I'll do to keep the higonokami closed -- rubber band, maybe? I've a vague notion of making a lanyard out of shock-cord and using that, somehow.)

Though, backsprings are really just a way of adding/shaping friction, themselves. You look at the Okapi knife and it's just a piece of bent sheet steel pinned to the wooden handle, bearing down on the blade's ramp. I've seen pics of renaissance-era knives of similar design, so the backspring has been evolving for a long time. In the modern era you look at those little keychain knives Trim used to make -- the handle itself is the backspring. It's a pretty crummy backspring, but it works, and my little Leatherman Micra uses the same system on all its tools. It's interesting to me that the area between friction folder and slipjoint is more of a continuum.
 
I took off the locking ring on a number 8 Opinel, and with a ball peen hammer snugged up the joint.

Great post, and I'm glad you're happy with this development. But I, man, I gotta admit: This does not compute. :confused:

-- Mark
 
As with most knives that I've sold or traded, I wish I still had them. I had a Michael Morris, a Scott Gossman and an ML. All three were very nice. I guess I just never warmed up to the thought of a friction folder, when I had a one hand wonder or slipjoint there to serve the same purpose. I don't know why, but the protrusion when the knife was closed never agreed with me, and I mainly got rid of all three for that purpose, although the ML's protrusion wasn't that big.

I like my Opinel for use in the garden. It is an el cheapo knife, it has been used and abused, and it still comes back for more. Haven't done any Frankenstein work to it though.
 
Great post, and I'm glad you're happy with this development. But I, man, I gotta admit: This does not compute. :confused:

-- Mark

Silly me, I forgot to say I put the locking ring back on after I peened the rivet pin to snug it up. Looking back on the way I worded it, it sounds like I discarded the ring. No, it's there, just not used unless dire emergency during the test period. So far, I haven't needed it.

Carl.
 
Nice post Carl, you make a strong case

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I really enjoy my lil 'mundi. A much nicer knife by far than an Opinel.

That it is! You have some great friction folders. I was impressed by the look of the Taramundi, and what about that Sphere (I was looking at them last night)? :thumbup:

I'm also liking the Higonakami Blaine kindly sent me recently :)

 
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There used to be a Sheffield-made friction folder with an extended tang, was very popular with tradesmen at one time.
 
I have a Morris friction folder coming any day now. I'll be happy to post my impressions once i have a chance to use it!
 
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