Small problem

Originally posted by Gary W. Graley
PS just a side note, he is currently waiting to go into Marine Boot Camp this month, he thought he'd be there by November 4th...but they are not committing to a firm date yet so he's still home.
So he says. We have had other guys pretend they were military to get better deals from makers.

Edit:

He now has a note on a sale thread on another forum asking him to check here -- http://www.knifeforums.com//ubbthre...iew=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1&PHPSESSID=
 
Sounds like this guy, will be taking up a new hobby

Goodluck Gary, hope it works out OK for you.
 
Greetings All,
Eliath C is not looking too good. I had a deal with him and he sent my knife after some time and talks. Good luck Gary, I hope this mess works out for you. Come on Eliath C. this is not good, come correct man.
 
It took a month to get my knife back from Kiy/ElaithC/Ron.
Hey Ron, do the right thing and send Gary his money.
Gary, best of luck on getting your knife back, hope Ron comes
through for you!
 
I have delt with G2 also. Nothing but strait up kinda guy. Hope it works out for U.

Otha
 
No money order/email or call from him yet, but maybe now he's left for boot camp. Not to worry, if he does send the money order I'll most certainly post that news.
Thanks guys for the support,
G2
 
well they say $hit runs downhill... if this is the way this clown conducts his business , he will end up with a boot in his a$$ in the Marines that's for sure .

Sorry to hear that this guy refuses to make it right Gary...some people have no morals.

take care sir.....
 
I was making a deal with Elaith too about a week ago. Everything was perfectly fine: nice guy, fast reply, everything.

Since he didn't take paypal, I had to try send a money order. So told him that I would go to the post office (for a Belgian postal order) and needed his full name.

Next evening it was in my mail. (btw, his name is not Ron) And I told him that I would go to make the payment the next morning.
He replied that everything was fine.

The next morning, before going to the post office, I checked this Forum. Thank you very much Gary, for making his name public that same day!!! Only two hours later and I would have send him my $140.

Instead of sending the money, I wrote him a email, in which I explained the situation and told him to check out this thread.

I told him that I could not thrust him since he didn't make up with you Gary.

If he wanted the sale to go through, I told him to send me the knives first (I have nothing but positive feedback on the forums, ebay and other auction places). I even said that I would pay an extra $10 if we could do it this way (for his trouble).

And, what do you think? I never heard of him again. I wanted to wait a couple of days before I posted this here, so he had time to reply, but I guess he just doesn't care anymore.


Thanks again Gary. I really hope you get your money back.

dv11
 
Odd that his name isn't the same as he emailed me to send a money order...wonder why?

Well in a way, I am sorry you didn't get your knife, but also glad that you are being cautious in this matter. No email reply back is also strange. So he is still home must be, I called today but only got his answering machine.

G2
 
I hate hearing about situations like this. Every time this kind of thing occurs it effects the whole Knife collecting community. I think that the perp stated in the past that he had been accepted into the Marine Corps is what I dislike most. Two things I KNOW, Honor and Integrity are paramount to all true Marines, nothing else is tolerated. I have emailed Mr EliathC and explained this. Good luck Gary, I hope this works out.
 
G2,
I've still got plenty of friends at both MCRD San Diego and Paris Island. Life can have some of the most unexpected turns. Heh heh heh :D
Remember, Marines just love to return favors for their Corpsman.
And I thought I wouldn't get a Verteran'a Day Present. If I can find out when he is going to show up and where, this one is on me.

ElaethC.- Your heading for Boot and you will be learning Corps values. The integrity check starts here and better end here. Get things straight now. I'm sure as hell not trusting any pogue in my outfit who can't handle a simple task of cleaning up his own mess.
If you spent the money and need time to make it up to him, face Gary like a man. This is the simplest of tasks you are in for. Boot is a challenge but the real game begins long after that. Try making it through a combat tour or even BRC on bullsh** and see how far you get.

Doc
 
(Finding paragraph errors all over the place, so editing it to make it an easier read.)

Salutations all.
First order of business. I was taught not to stand for insults and threats. I answer all back in kind, so here goes:

Danbo. I am not a bum. As a matter of fact, I work in a mortgage company. (Well, I guess I don't work there anymore, but all my info is still there, and they actually let me tell them a week in advance that I'm coming in to help out if I want to.) Whatever this "Blanket Party" is that you mentioned, I doubt that the outcome would be what you intend it to be. You have address though, and you're more than welcome to come over anyday and try.

made2cut. I suppose this is a deep pile of something I know, nut problem is, I didn't see it. So that was what that smell was when I got home.

Richard. You are mistaken. I didn't see any of this till the dog finished it's business and walked away, leaving it cold and rock solid. My "excuse" or "reason" or what not is written at the bottom, and considering your mentality, I doubt that you'll beleive it, so if you do read it, I hope you like how I illustrated it. Also, if I never had any intention of being honest, I wouldn't send the knife at all. Dunno, that's what I would do if those were my intentions.

wolfmann601. Thought I never experianced it, I doubt that I'll like having a 2x4 fitted in there, nor people that enjoy comitting such atrocities. Maybe you shouldn't be anywhere near a knife?

GigOne. Several things. My name is not boy Ronnie or Ronnie-boy, as I doubt that your name is Gigs-girl or Giggy. As a matter of fact, most of my friends and family don't even know my real name, and I like to keep it that way. Don't know the worth on a used condom, though I wonder if you do? If someone has standards or morals or a spine very different from yours, does that mean that they don't have one at all? I escaped communism in one point of my life, not to enter another. Preach elsewhere, your words fall to deaf ears.

Barry H. Again, don't think I'd enjoy the company of people that likes to shove things down under. As for destroying my fingers, I extend my invitation to you and wolfman601 come down to my home and try.

glockman99. There are two meanings for "bozo", one being a fellow, and the other being a fool. Since the insults grow more and more as I read on, I'll take it that you meant it in the not so nice way, and so I retort. I'll trade your word with another. "Spedcial"

3rdWound. Don't know what hobby it is that you are referring to, but if it's displaying my wounds, then far from it. Was taught not to boast about my wounds, that it was a lesson to myself and myself only. Of course, you were taught different.

Wali. Thought our business had ended on a good note, but you don't seem to think so. At the time I was under the impression that you were trying to rip me off, as you thought the same about me. Things came through in the end though, didn't it? If you have anymore concerns, feel free to e-mail me.

Chip. It actually took a little less than a month. But you didn't tell me about that chip on the tip when you sold it to me. You just told me that it's a "safe queen". Didn't attack you about it though.

the45guy. Don't presume to hold the power to hand the title "clown" to just anyone. You need to go through schooling to become such. It is a satisfying job, I should beleive, to entertain kids. And with the morals thing, read my words to GigOne. Some people just don't have any respect for other's morals, they just attack it without finding out what they are.

deviant11. As you have no doubt read in your e-mail, I have been away, and I apologize. About my name, read my words for GigOne. I am still holding the knives for you. If you think you can still trust me, then they will be out first before your MO. If not, then the knives will be sold to the other inquiring parties.

Hillbillenigma. I am not a perp, my record is quite clean. I have only stated that I am heading to boot camp to G2, and have only said so because he inquired about my occupation and such on AIM. I have never used the name USMC in vain, nor ever intend to. In any case, I'm sorry if my being accepted to boot camp dirties the name.

recondoc1. First, I am not in your outfit. Also, I thank you for your lecture on integrity, though I beleive that you nor anyone else is in a position to judge me without my side of the story. Though I have not went to boot camp yet, I have studied the Corps Values over and over. To what I presume to know about it, I try my best to uphold. Though I have never seen combat, I've seen enough bullsh** to not don't care anymore on how far I get, I just care about being wherever I am and doing whatever I do. Also, I encourage you to call up your friends and make my life there more of a living hell than it will be. It might be hell at that moment, but it'll toughen me up, I suspect. I am not the strongest or the fastest, but with the extra attention I should come out one step closer. I'll take it all in as a Veteran's Day present from you, so don't let me down, and thanks in advance. I eagerly await for it.

To all the treats and insults e-mailed to me, I'm not going to bother to respond to. Most of you have received my retort.

Well! That took a lot of time! :o If only we can all live peacefully... then the world wouldn't be filled with people harassing each other over the internet. I guess then the world wouldn't be as fun. I get home, fall onto my bed for a moment or two from lack of sleep, and then I get up long enough to check my e-mail and take a shower before I collapse onto my bed once again, and you can imagine my surprise to the barrage of e-mails I received.

Though it is in my opinion that this post of mine does not concern anyone but G2, he has posted it on BF. Which means that this business concerns everone that frequents BF, as well as thier mother.

It is apparent to all that my style of dealing is not well thought of here, so I faithfully withdraw myself from the forum. To those who I have dealt with, thank you for your business. To those who have a need to satisfy their curiosity and read up on my side of the story, here goes.

Before anything on what had happened on my side, let me explain my dissappearance to all. Several of my close friends decided to throw a bye bye party, alchohol, strippers and all for me, but as I am not old enough in this country, they somehow came up with the bright idea of carting me to Montreal. They told my mom a little of their intentions ("Yes, we're just taking your son for a week around, no, don't tell him about it, it's a surprise, don't worry, nothing bad will happen." Some of my friends are the innocent kind that my mom loves, and she ate it up. They got me to clear my schedule saying that they wanna fill those days up with bye bye parties and events, which was kind of easy considering I was mostly free. I am suddenly woken up in the middle of the night, and was told to promptly dress warm and to bring my wallet. Pretty much after that, I was abducted to Toronto for 2 days, and then Montreal. All paid for, hotels, alchohol, girls, felt like it was a bachleor party. They even got a van to cart everyone around. Lots of fun. My head is still spinning.

A second thing is that only 2 people out of the 6 that lives in this house speaka da engalishi. One of them is me, and the other my sister, who goes to school. The rest works, which leaves only my grandma and grandpa home when I'm not, which I'm usually not. They don't answer the phone, period. And since I have a cell phone, I don't bother checking the house phone for calls, as I rely only on my cellie.

Now, onto business.
What came to pass, as I slowly peice it together myself, was that not only have I sent to the wrong address the first time, I have also used envelopes that were machine stamped with the postal amount already. There dated back almost 3 years, which I have not noticed at the time (I got a boxful of em, looks like they get tossed out.) and apparently these expire. I have received my first one back, and I sent it out once again using my clipboard of addresses that I lug to the post office with me. Good system, never failed until now. Guess I was writing too fast and scrawled the addy wrong. Second time I sent it I used a new stamp that I bought at the post office, and till now I haven't seen or heard from it. Since it is my fault, I'll eat that up as my loss and a lesson learned on rushing and writing.

Which brings us to the present. What do I plan to do? Give back what is rightfully G2's, obviously. Without further delay. I thank you for all your concern for G2 and my transaction, but as I've stated earlier it is between him and I.

The more I go on in any forums, the more I realize why I hate conductiing anything in one. People judge each other without knowing the full story. I guess this is human nature, if that can be an excuse. It just makes me hate people more, once an individual goes into a group, they tend to act more immature. And so I resign from this one. Maybe I'll return in a later date (later being in a couple of years.), maybe not. Prolly not though, seeing how no one likes me :rolleyes:

Last message. I cleaned up my mess. Why? Because it is mine to clean up. Not because of all your words, your threats, your harassments, your verbal abuse. I have my own morals. Do not put yourself into a position to feed me yours without getting to know me. None of you hold sway against me. None of your words meant anything. And, I fully beleive that mine didn't either. So be it. Now I'm done typing my crap in response to all your crap. It was fun all.

Respectfully submitted and a fond farewell BF,
Chau
 
Hi Kiy,

That knife was exactly how I got it from Busse. It
was "unused". I had 6 of the ZT series and they all had
the blunt tips.

And if you call recieiving my knive 1 day short of a month from you receiving my check "a little less then a month" I guess your right, I apologize.

Just pissed me off, I returned your money immediately after you said , it wasn't what you thought! and you made me wait "almost a month for my knife back".

Good luck in the Marines!

Chip
 
Hopefully we will all soon get to see a post from Gary stating that he got his money and this will be able to be put to bed.
 
Originally posted by the45guy
this guy needs to make good ASAP. Gary you have the patience of a saint and I can't believe someone would be dishonest to you. Anything I can do to help , just let me know.

You could not have said it more accurately. :)

Maybe he will make good... let us know Gary.
 
Kiy,
Had you returned the money in a timely fashion and more importantly, paid attention to the simplest details concerning addressing an envelope, you would not have been "outed" and roasted in this forum.
This is a community, and members of this community who have been here a while tend to look out for one another- especially when concerning money and property. Gary is a good egg, and has been here for quite a while. A reputation is earned Chau, and those here who simply stick to their word and let their actions speak for them enjoy good reputations and have the support of their fellow forumites. No one here is interested in arbitrary personal attacks, but there are lines and standards of behaviour here that, when crossed, will bring the roof down on you. That should not be difficult to understand.
Best of luck in your career with the USMC. They may not be as forgiving for any slip-ups in the future.
Best regards,
Mike
 
I owe Kiy an apology.

I should have checked the knife before I typed my comments this morning.

I just checked the knife I sent him, and the point is missing.
Why didn't you tell me up front, why "it wasn't what you expected"?
Thought you just didn't like the knife.

Well, I have egg on my face. Guess I'll just crawl back into my hole and shut the f--- up!

My apologies to everyone!!
 
Amazing, isn't it, that someone who can put together so detailed a point-by-point rebuttal to those who besmirched his honor couldn't bother to keep track of a business deal -- when it involved someone else's money.

Kiy, a simple apology for having been rushed, out of town, and out of touch would have gone a lot farther than whining, especially if you made sure Gary had his money before you posted.
 
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