Small stoves for wilderness use...

I've recently been trying out a homemade alcohol stove. I'm amazed at the way this thing kicks butt! I make it from a 8 oz Dole mandarin orange can and a 3 oz spam spread can (you can use a cat food can but I don't like the taste of cat food although I'm sure it's better for you than spam). I use a hole saw to cut a 1 1/2" hole in the Dole can bottom (after removing the top and the goodies, of course) and then a church key to cut 6 church-key punctures in the side of the can (make sure your church key is sharp for this). So the can sits upside down with six v-shaped holes in the side and a 1 1/2" hole in the "top."

The spam can is lined with some thin, say 1/4" fiberglass insulation. I just peeled off a hunk of some that was lying around here. I think it came from some window weather stripping kit or something. Then I cut a small hunk of aluminum screen (got it from the hardware for free from the scrap bin) and lined the spam can with that. So the 3 oz spam can now has a thin layer of fiberglass insulation around it's inside edge, held in place by a piece of window screen.

Now slip the spam can into the dole can, open side up. The metal that folded in from the church-key cuts serves to hold the can in place.

Pour 2 oz of ethanol into the hole, light, and you have an alcohol stove that will amaze you and never fail. This is much lighter and far more dependable than my svea 123 or my msr. The mandarin oranges cost 79 cents, the spam 89 cents. Make three and now you have backups The only way you ruin one of these is to accidentally step on it. It really is a far more dependable stove than the colemans, msrs, or sveas for that matter (they all break down and require maintenance). I suppose it will eventually wear out but I don't know how many total burns you can get out of it. A survey of appalachian trail hikers showed that the alcohol stove was the only stove with zero failures (it was a small survey though).

Since trying this little puppy, I've become a convert to alcohol-ism. But I was also curious because I heard there was a commercially available alcohol stove out there that in testing, beat most of the home brewed varieties. I checked all the sources I could find but no one had this stove (it's an import). Then I stumbled across a source last week and just ordered one last Friday. The stove is called a Trangia Westwind Stove. It's supposed to be pretty simple in design but I guess it does have jets and maybe this is how it is able to concentrate its heat. I don't know. I can't wait to get a closer look at it. Soon as I get it, I will test it head-to-head with my homebrewed model.

Here's the outfit I ordered it from.
http://www.gearheads-inc.com/gifts.html

Oh yeah, one more thing, if you don't like fruit, you can also use a 9 oz tuna can.
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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman

[This message has been edited by Hoodoo (edited 05-14-2000).]
 
Sounds like a really good idea on the alcohol stove.
Seen one in sportman's guide some time ago.
However since I'm a dumb hillbilly I can't figure your's out, any pictures or diagrams?
 
I have been very pleased with the coleman propane two burner as a workhorse stove. I worked for a number of summers at a scout camp where the scouts used said stove for all their cooking. We'd have 15 - 20 patrols cooking two or more times a day, and swap out kids every week for ten weeks. I never had a injurious failure. We'd have the occasional stove that would quit working, usually from lack of care - gunk buildup somewhere - but the only injuries I ever saw from them were stupidity related, and me refilling propane tanks...

Personally, I've come to like the SVEA 123. My dad has one, that I'm hoping he'll send me this summer, since he never uses it, that he picked up about 30 years ago. I didn't realize they were still made.

In the end, though, I'd prefer to cook over a fire. I can easily see the forbidding of burning wood in heavily used places, but I am very dissappointed in the stupidity of people who have burnt enough things that even in many lightly used areas fires are banned...

Stryver
 
Have been using a stansport fold up stove for the last three years. It uses small white tablets not same as trioxane but close. they seem to burn longer and hotter than trioxane. if you want a hotter fire add more tabs. I have boiled water with it at 9900 feet, which is as high as I've gotten with it so far. complete stove with twenty four fuel tabs only weighs 8.5 oz. If you try it bring more fuel tabs though, it takes four to boil enough water for a dehydrated meal.
 
I don't have any pictures and not enough time right now to draw diagrams. Eventually I plan on buying a digital camera so when I do, I'll do a little webpage on this stove.

I originally got the idea from one of my students. He got the idea off the web from some website related to hiking the pacific crest trail. You might try searching the web for that site and maybe it will lead you to some pictures. If you take your time and read the instructions closely, you may find you could crank one of these out easier than you think.


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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman
 
Originally posted by Marion David Poff:
Hoodoo- I have seen alcohol stoves marketed as Swiss Army surplus. It would be interesting to hear the history behind your new stove.

And alcohol is cheap.

Marion,

See the other thread on alcohol stoves. I think I tracked down the originator.



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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman
 
I got my Trangia alcohol stove last night and fired it up. Have to say I'm very pleased with it. Very solidly built and works like a charm. Next I'd like to compare it in burning times to my homebrewed model and squid's model. The Trangia is nearer to squid's design than to the one I use. I think it would be an interesting comparison in terms of how long it takes to boil water. Just gotta find the time to do it. Right now I'm teaching a summer class and it's sucking down my free time like a vampire. May not get to this project until July but I will definitely make the the comparison.

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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman
 
I have been having great luck with a wood burning stove. it uses a battery powered fan to get forced draft like a blacksmiths forge.
the fuel is plentiful (dry twigs) and the heat output is suprising..

it is called a sierra stove mfg by zzcorp
 
Originally posted by McGuyver:
Check out this site for great info on home made multi fuel stove;
http://www.monmouth.com/~mconnick/

An interesting stove. Guess I will have to give it a try. One of the neat things about this stove is that the wind screen and pot support are built in to it.



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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman
 
CAMPING GAZ it is swiss and it is awesome hassle free. fierce burning in high altitudes.

I have boiling water at 7000ft in less than 3 minutes.(not that high for real climbers I am just a backpacker)

I am sold on butane cartridges I became tired of pumping fuel and cleaning dirty parts.

 
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