Smoothness

[blade man]

Here is the inside of my Insingo:

Is that a factory engraving? How much did they charge for that? I like it!

 

[Haze]

Well, back to this nonsense again, Vic's a real asset to this forum.....

 

[kidcongo]

Everyone is an asset to this forum. That is why we need to avoid disagreements, which will occur, from becoming flame wars. I was hoping some humour would lighten the mood only. Sincerely, I would like all members of this forum to continue to contribute.

 

[victorf]

So victorf, can we see the inside of your Insingo?

For anyone who likes to see the inside of my Insingo. Simply PM me. I will be glad to share. But.....if no response from me - have enough "smarts" to know, it's not that I didn't get your PM, rather, that was my answer!

For the technically inclined, especially in the area of machining, do explain to those, interested - including "me": How these two seemingly simple pieces - grooved spacer and lanyard replacement pin were made? In detail, to avoid confusing the less fortunate, having little technical backgrounds, would be nice!

 

[kidcongo]

For anyone who likes to see the inside of my Insingo. Simply PM me. I will be glad to share. But.....if no response from me - have enough "smarts" to know, it's not that I didn't get your PM, rather, that was my answer!

For the technically inclined, especially in the area of machining, do explain to those, interested - including "me": How these two seemingly simple pieces - grooved spacer and lanyard replacement pin were made? In detail, to avoid confusing the less fortunate, having little technical backgrounds, would be nice!

Victor. Is there a way to present this without it being a confrontation? I am really interested to know how you made those parts, but don't consider myself less fortunate for not knowing. I would assume a lathe, but maybe I'm a moron for thinking that? Let's just share our knowledge and skills without it being a contest. Just sayin. You obviously have a lot to offer.........but the presentation of the information is a bit off-putting if I can be so bold. No one is out to get you.

 

[bhyde]

Victorf-

You are correct in your assessment that your posts read as if you are Russian..Your posts can sometimes be a bit challenging to read.

Indeed a thread that has gone from informative to somewhere a bit weird asking those that do not have a manufacturing background to explain how you made your parts? Many ways to skin a cat, but I fail to see why it matters in any meaningful way. Obviously, we are all here to discuss something that we share..Our knives and the appreciation that we have for them. So, please, let's drop this for at least, the season


Merry Christmas All

 

[Haze]

Those peices were simply turned on a lathe, nothing unusual or techincally difficult there at all. They could have been done in a high school shop class as could have the rest of the work on his Sebenza.
The problem here is that he knows his mouth has written a cheque he can't cash and has led to this behaviour that is called "aggrivational deflection", it's a classic defence mechanism for dealing with uncomfortable or troubling feelings or situations.

Victor. Is there a way to present this without it being a confrontation? I am really interested to know how you made those parts, but don't consider myself less fortunate for not knowing. I would assume a lathe, but maybe I'm a moron for thinking that? Let's just share our knowledge and skills without it being a contest. Just sayin. You obviously have a lot to offer.........but the presentation of the information is a bit off-putting if I can be so bold. No one is out to get you.

 

[Krissig12]

I'm so confused right now

Victorf........I'll try to explain this as simply as I possibly can


Knife wasn't as smooth as I would have liked, and it was excessively tight when the pivot was fully tightened as per Chris reeves instructions

I polished the washers, removing VERY little material (I couldn't tell you exactly, I didn't measure)

Now the knife is perfectly smooth, still has the hydraulic feel to it, and its NOT LOOSE in any way.

Where exactly did I do something wrong?

 

[blade man]

Where exactly did I do something wrong?

Because you (apparently) and (so clearly) lack the technical background to have been able to perform the task. Haven't you been listening? If you want to make modifications to your knife, measure it to a ten-thousandth of an inch, have a thorough background in machining, and for God's sake, make sure you have technical knowledge of the process! Lord knows nothing's ever been done without all that.

Krissig...glad you got your knife working the way you want it to. Sounds like you did it properly. :thumbup:

 

[blade man]

For anyone who likes to see the inside of my Insingo. Simply PM me. I will be glad to share. But.....if no response from me - have enough "smarts" to know, it's not that I didn't get your PM, rather, that was my answer!

For the technically inclined, especially in the area of machining, do explain to those, interested - including "me": How these two seemingly simple pieces - grooved spacer and lanyard replacement pin were made? In detail, to avoid confusing the less fortunate, having little technical backgrounds, would be nice!

You have no PM option...but if we do...which is it? You're glad to share, or you don't want to? Offering and saying you won't isn't overly helpful. I just tried what you requested, and we can't even do that. :yawn:

 

[Krissig12]

Because you (apparently) and (so clearly) lack the technical background to have been able to perform the task. Haven't you been listening? If you want to make modifications to your knife, measure it to a ten-thousandth of an inch, have a thorough background in machining, and for God's sake, make sure you have technical knowledge of the process! Lord knows nothing's ever been done without all that.

Krissig...glad you got your knife working the way you want it to. Sounds like you did it properly. :thumbup:

Thanks man:thumbup:

 

[Ajack60]

Well, I got completely confused around post 19. So, the Sebenza was not as smooth as you wanted it to be. You polished the washers a bit and now it's to your liking. If this is correct as I'm thinking it is, kinda sounds like you have the mechanical skills to achieve an apparent issue you had with your knife. Good to know and thanks for letting the common folks know what you did.

 

[Zeta33]

Well, I got completely confused around post 19. So, the Sebenza was not as smooth as you wanted it to be. You polished the washers a bit and now it's to your liking. If this is correct as I'm thinking it is, kinda sounds like you have the mechanical skills to achieve an apparent issue you had with your knife. Good to know and thanks for letting the common folks know what you did.

My thoughts exactly regarding the confusing posts and off topic stupidity. There's a multitude of strange characters around here. The type that will tell you there's no point in changing the angle of your CRK edge because you couldn't possibly know a thing compared to Chris, and then those that call into question CRK use of materials, the tolerances, and whether everyone else has been gifted well enough to be able to understand precision machining.

Luckily, these characters make up a small, pompous minority on an otherwise great sub-forum, at least the way I see it.

Edit: typos

 

[victorf]

Yes make some interesting points. I'm guessing that you won't be permitted to see the work he claims to have done either Was that comment pertain to or being helpful in light of the discussion?
I'm glad that you got your knife working well again. Your satisfaction with your knife is really all that matters anyway.


Carry on

Here is the inside of my Insingo:

Was this posting being sarcastic or really a contribution to help clear up the discussion?

Those peices were simply turned on a lathe, nothing unusual or techincally difficult there at all. They could have been done in a high school shop class as could have the rest of the work on his Sebenza. It is true for those with imagination, it could be done with less than in a high school shop class. Your statement said that it was easy to make those seemingly simple pins, than, if machining is within your comfort zone, as mine is, I certainly don't need to see the "inside" after someone gave verbal description on their inside work!
The problem here is that he knows his mouth has written a cheque he can't cash and has led to this behaviour that is called "aggrivational deflection", it's a classic defence mechanism for dealing with uncomfortable or troubling feelings or situations.

I have been anticipating for you to join in this thread and getting the satisfaction that I still have you wondering, still not getting your way! The wait is over, my assessment is correct and here you are!

Victorf-

You are correct in your assessment that your posts read as if you are Russian..Your posts can sometimes be a bit challenging to read.

Indeed a thread that has gone from informative to somewhere a bit weird asking those that do not have a manufacturing background to explain how you made your parts? Many ways to skin a cat, but I fail to see why it matters in any meaningful way. ***That was intentional to draw out a certain audience and my apology!*** Obviously, we are all here to discuss something that we share..Our knives and the appreciation that we have for them. So, please, let's drop this for at least, the season


Merry Christmas All

This is by far the most worthwhile suggestion. I have made my points, although it is proven beyond comfort zone for most and leaving it at that!

 

[Zeta33]

Victor, Cody (kidcongo) is literally the only one defending you right now, his post was made in an effort to bring us all together. Why would you respond so hostile to the one person who has your best interest?

Also, you're insulting everyone's intelligence by writing in different colors, as if we're too stupid to understand you without the colors. On the internet, when people start typing in capital letters, colored font, or bold, it means they are desperate or insinuating that the reader needs assistance in comprehending what is being said to them. Not cool.

Can we just wrap this thread up? If I wanted to read nonsense in my free time, I'd never leave General Discussion....

 

[Krissig12]

Well, I got completely confused around post 19. So, the Sebenza was not as smooth as you wanted it to be. You polished the washers a bit and now it's to your liking. If this is correct as I'm thinking it is, kinda sounds like you have the mechanical skills to achieve an apparent issue you had with your knife. Good to know and thanks for letting the common folks know what you did.

That wasn't the point of this thread at all. I started it wondering if the detent ball could be another culprit (because after polishing and lubing, it was "stuttery" on opening and closing, but only if the lockbar was putting pressure on the tang). Thanks to a few nice people here offering info on the ceramic detent ball, I deduced that the issue was coming from my over lubing of the detent track, which was keeping the surfaces from wearing properly. Now everything's fine

The topic of polishing the washers only came up when victorf swooped in and tried to assert his mechanical dominance, saying that it wasn't possible for me to have done anything good, since I hadn't measured everything to the 10000th of an inch

 

[Haze]

I have been regularly posting in this sub forum for years, what's your point ? You're still blatantly prevaricating and I actually couldn't care less about your Sebenza hack job and imagined machining. Get over it and perhaps even go away.

I have been anticipating for you to join in this thread and getting the satisfaction that I still have you wondering, still not getting your way! The wait is over, my assessment is correct and here you are!

 

[unit]

There is quantitative and qualitative.

Neither approach is capable of solving any problems at all if an understanding of the objective is not understood.

An example would be a fellow that measures washers and proclaims a tolerance of 0.006 per side. While he may have quantified the fit, the knowledge of these numbers is immaterial if he simply nods his head and reassembles the piece without knowing what the tolerance specifications are. Further, admission of the discovery of burrs on both washers raises a few questions. Simply put, it's an exercise in arm waving unless you know what to do with the numbers.

Conversely, the person who qualitatively attempts to actuate a pivot and cannot due to tolerances being exceeded can quite correctly state that there is a problem, and can even fix the problem by removal of material. Perhaps he is a forward thinker and deduces that he only needs to polish the burrs off the washers to achieve the necessary clearance to allow the pivot to swing? Perhaps he is an absolute ham-fist and pulls out 100 grit media and takes off way too much?

Obviously taking off too much will allow the blade to swing freely...and the excess removal could lead to a detectable blade play, or not.

The last thought I will leave you with is the methods shown in the factory tour video. A gent is sitting in front of some polishing media with a knife that he is fitting. He checks the blade swing, then takes the knife down, polishes the washers, then re-assembles and assesses fit again. If memory serves, he used no device to quantify anything...he just used his skills and his perceptions to do the job. Perhaps that film was all marketing BS and it's not how the fit is achieved...or may be that is how it's done.

I have done a fair bit of metal working in my day, much of it involved polishing. While I don't always quantify everything, I have a pretty solid grasp of my abrasives and how aggressively they work. If I'm using a 1 micron abrasive (that's 0.000039 inch), I can be somewhat confident that I won't remove 0.0001 inch of material without a fair bit of time and effort.

Depending on the source of 1000 grit abrasive, you likely have a grain size on the order of 0.00025...so even with that, you are not *likely* ripping off several thousandths in short order...but hey, some guys use a ham fist and could induce some really deep scratches, so who knows? But if you are careful, the slow progression of trial and test MIGHT just work. But I'll still not recommend it to the masses.

 

[victorf]

I was going to let it passed!

But since you again, revived my interest, I will let you onto a little bit more on results from my Post #44 to draw out a certain audience.

My thoughts exactly regarding the confusing posts and off topic stupidity. There's a multitude of strange characters around here. The type that will tell you there's no point in changing the angle of your CRK edge because you couldn't possibly know a thing compared to Chris, and then those that call into question CRK use of materials, the tolerances, and whether everyone else has been gifted well enough to be able to understand precision machining.

Luckily, these characters make up a small, pompous minority on an otherwise great sub-forum, at least the way I see it.

Edit: typos

My interpretation on your post: you finally got the chance to air your deep harbored feelings and joined the crowd to throw stones. Thank you! I walked away, now also knowing your insights - for me, its better than money in the bank!

My philosophy is never to initiate, insults or to use personal attacks on anyone but to show respect....unless they don't deserve it in return. As for you, even though clearly, at least to me, we are at a different level when it comes to mods. Tell me, did I ever, directly, other than praise, critiqued you in this forum in regards to your mods? I will remain at the present stance - until I have to!

Since I have already placed him in the lost cause bin. Without getting further into his lack of imagination to figuring out after posting my verbal description. I have further overlooked Haze, with his latest accusation and psycho analysing me on my claims as***The problem here is that he knows his mouth has written a cheque he can't cash and has led to this behaviour that is called "aggrivational deflection", it's a classic defence mechanism for dealing with uncomfortable or troubling feelings or situations.***. But....it was fun reading his remarks! I missed seeing his true colors!

Victor, Cody (kidcongo) is literally the only one defending you right now, his post was made in an effort to bring us all together. Why would you respond so hostile to the one person who has your best interest?

Also, you're insulting everyone's intelligence by writing in different colors, as if we're too stupid to understand you without the colors. On the internet, when people start typing in capital letters, colored font, or bold, it means they are desperate or insinuating that the reader needs assistance in comprehending what is being said to them. Not cool.

Can we just wrap this thread up? If I wanted to read nonsense in my free time, I'd never leave General Discussion....

As far as my postings being "Not Cool", well, you are entitle to your opinions. I still reserve my personal opinion in regards to your displayed work - privy!

Interpretation is a funny thing. Since within us, interpretation goes through different sets of filters. Personally, I have interpreted kidcongo differently, but comparing with "unit", he is the less of the two evils.

As for wrap this thread up. Thought I was clear in agreement with bhyde. My last post was above yours. I came back in, as a courtesy response and since I am here, let you in to know, that I get it, you also joined into the stone throwing crowd!

While I am finishing these up, I also noticed Haze with his latest. Stating his years of posting as if that means anything! To each his own! But it is getting to be fun, again!!

 

[Zeta33]

Victor, I honestly don't care what you think of my "work". I've made no claims at being a "mod guy" either, I simply do refinishing. I assure you, I can do any kind of polished or anodized finish. If you feel your mirror polish is superior to my finishes that's fine, I haven't posted a similar style yet but it doesn't matter because I'm not making personal claims. I am an artist outside of this forum, I take criticism well and tend to grow from it but really, where have I said to you that your work is bad? By all means, critique away, in my thread, if you wish to l prove your superiority for whatever reason.

I am also not "throwing stones" at you. I was supportive of you as well till you displayed rudeness to people who weren't directly attacking you. It is uncalled for, and despite what you think, your posts are very condescending. Even the posts outside of your well known disputes with Haze and Unit.

This isn't about your work, its about your attitude.