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So called "Real damascus" for under $100?

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by AshesFall, Feb 7, 2020.

  1. AshesFall

    AshesFall

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    Jul 16, 2019
    Now I know the original "real damascus" method isn't around anymore, but there are these knife companies from India and Pakistan that are calling it real damascus and selling off knives for under $100. My questions are, can you actually get a real folded steel knife for under $100? If so are these knives from India and Pakistan of decent quality? Or is it just fake etching being passed off as folded steel and being called real damascus? The huge amount of these knives I see them selling for under $100 seems rather sketchy to me. Thoughts and opinions?
     
  2. JDRanger

    JDRanger

    373
    Aug 14, 2017
    I have the same questions about Civivi, Kershaw, and Boker Damascus. They have sub $100 knives.
     
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  3. sharpside

    sharpside KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

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    Jan 18, 2020
    I have seen these and thought the same thing. I don't know much about Damascus but could they be using 2 very cheap steals?
     
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  4. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    Well from watching enough "Forged In Fire" it appears that damascus is cheap and easy. Mix it up, melt it up, press it up and give it an acid etch.

    The folks in that triangle probably have about forty cents of material and ten dollars labour into those knives. It's a great deal for them to get a hundred bucks back.

    If you want a good blade with a damascus steel blade you'll have lots of choice in North American customs and in various production knives but you'll have multiply that Benjamin a few times to pay for it.
     
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  5. Larrin

    Larrin Gold Member Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2004
    The cost of pattern-welded Damascus is primarily in labor. Labor is cheap in Pakistan. Some of the Japanese knives use a factory produced Damascus which apparently limits the amount of labor involved in making it. Low layer counts and simple patterns are perhaps evidence of the simple nature of the production.
     
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  6. Dadpool

    Dadpool Gold Member Gold Member

    May 18, 2015
    I can't speak to the others, but Kershaw uses Alabama Damascus steel in their knives, not a fake/etched substitute. AD is based in Jacksonville, AL.
     
  7. DrRollinstein

    DrRollinstein Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 20, 2018
    Civivi civivi civivi.
     
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  8. Feca10ne

    Feca10ne Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 29, 2020
    If you ever wondered where the old Huffy bike frames go....:D
     
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  9. Monofletch

    Monofletch Basic Member Basic Member

    Jan 14, 2010
    I have carried this Civivi a lot. The 9cr based stainless Damascus is fantastic. Very well done. About $80 folder.

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  10. Monofletch

    Monofletch Basic Member Basic Member

    Jan 14, 2010
    Spyderco Mule Team is a VG 10 core Damascus. Great small blade.

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  11. Ajack60

    Ajack60 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 21, 2013
    You get what you pay for, if you want cheap, it’s out there. If you want quality from a reputable maker, it’s going to cost.
    Devin Thomas, Chad Nichols, Jerry Radois , Bob Kramer make unique patterns that are breath taking. And for that, they bring higher prices for their work
     
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  12. grownstar

    grownstar

    Apr 24, 2013
    Damn right. You think a reputable company like Kershaw would use fake stuff? In the case of these made in USA Damascus knives, they're a steal!

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  13. AshesFall

    AshesFall

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    Jul 16, 2019
    Most I see are using 1095 and 15n20, good steels, but not real expensive steels. Could be why they are so cheap.
     
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  14. AshesFall

    AshesFall

    159
    Jul 16, 2019
    Yeah I guess like some of you have already said cheap labor and cheaper steels are most likely the reasons, so probably not fakes.

    Like @Ajack60 said you get what you pay for, but looks like Kershaw and Civivi should be good to go for reasonable prices.

    I'll just stay away from Pakistan damascus knives for now unless someone on here actually has one of these damascus knives and can prove to me otherwise that they are decent knives for the money.
     
  15. Richard Coyle

    Richard Coyle Gold Member Gold Member

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    Nov 12, 2019

    This is along the lines of what your asking... pretty good video. He actually did another video where he tries to harden the steel.
     
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  16. Rich S

    Rich S

    Sep 23, 2005
    VG10-Damascus laminated blades are outstanding. Beautiful and cuts like a razor. Mcusta is the major maker from Japan where the steel (VG10) was developed by Takefu Specialty Metals. Other knife companies are using it now. It is a fantastic blade steel.
    Rich
     
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  17. soc_monki

    soc_monki Basic Member Basic Member

    Apr 5, 2019
    True Damascus (wootz) is out there. I forgot the video I watched but there is (or was, he may have died) a blacksmith who was working on the process. The ore comes from very specific Mines in the middle east, I believe Jordan has one where Damascus was originally from. He was developing the techniques to refine and forge the steel.

    Apparently true Damascus had some vanadium content, which is what made it so great in antiquity, even if the ancients didn't know exactly why. It's fun to research.

    Pattern welded steels just don't do it for me, but if I had to pick some under 100 bucks it would be civivi and Kershaw.
     
  18. Rich S

    Rich S

    Sep 23, 2005
    respectfully, but wootz is not a damascus steel.

    "Wootz steel is a crucible steel characterized by a pattern of bands. These bands are formed by sheets of microscopic carbides within a tempered martensite or pearlite matrix in higher carbon steel, or by ferrite and pearlite banding in lower carbon steels" Wikipedia

    I.E. - it is not formed by forge welding different steels together as is Damascus.

    Rich
     
  19. soc_monki

    soc_monki Basic Member Basic Member

    Apr 5, 2019
    Then why is it called wootz Damascus? Why are swords and knives made from wootz called Damascus blades?

    The way I understand from everything I've read is that wootz is the original Damascus steel. Pattern welded steels are also Damascus, but unlike wootz it is two different steels blended to make a pattern, while wootz comes by its pattern as a result of the process of making it.

    If everything I've read is wrong please, enlighten me. I enjoy learning.
     
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  20. Larrin

    Larrin Gold Member Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2004

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