So is the Emerson CQC-7 All Hype?

FortyTwoBlades said:
As a question, what makers are those? Historically speaking there isn't a single sword that I'm aware of that has a chisel grind, and I have yet to see a modern maker producing one either. I can't see any advantage in it for a long blade.
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When I visited Japan, there were 3 to 4 foot long chisel grind swords on display in a classy expensive shop (I don't read/understand Japanese). I'm not sure they were swords for war or super long chisel grind chef knife for maybe making sashimi of whales but they exist. The tour guide said that they were used for both purposed but I'm skeptical...
 
For accurate JSB answers, I'd contact Phill Hartsfield and Pohan Leu.
Japanese Styled Blades.
 
I used to have a Benchamde CQC7. It was a good knife, but I found that it compromised utility for combat effectiveness. I had a few awkward moments when people asked me what kind of knife it was. I don't get in many knife fights anymore, but I'd buy another one because it is a piece of history.

As a corollary to Cotherion's point about the chisel-ground sushi knives, the reason you want to leave one side undisturbed is to have a superior presentation on the plate. I'm not sure if it is more effective than a more conventional grind.

I find that a chisel-ground knife requires you to change the angle of the knife to get vertical cuts. I prefer a symmetrical grind.

TC
 
I said "Don't even go into combatives, it doesn't happen."

The reply: knife fights never happen? wow thats a revelation, is a common misunderstanding of combat - i.e., armed confrontation.

Ask any instructor in armed combat what they would choose, chisel ground tanto blades rank way down the list. Guns are first, anything else second, then knives.

Knife fights are usually perpetrated by overwrought women using common V grind kitchen knives. Two immature males squaring off with weapons and deliberately choosing a short range CQC-7 folder over guns, baseball bats, or rocks is not only uncommon, but stupid.

There's a lot of that thinking among young men, it's one reason it takes months for Basic Training.

No, the CQC-7 isn't all hype, but it's not the be-all end-all either.
 
Cotherion said:
When I visited Japan, there were 3 to 4 foot long chisel grind swords on display in a classy expensive shop (I don't read/understand Japanese). I'm not sure they were swords for war or super long chisel grind chef knife for maybe making sashimi of whales but they exist. The tour guide said that they were used for both purposed but I'm skeptical...
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Tuna-rendering knives are large enough that they resemble swords.

There are some rare blade geometries used in Japanese swords that bear a great resemblance to a chisel grind, but are actually a combination of grinds. Click for examples. Kata-kiriha-zukuri is a good one. One side is actually a shallow full convex.
 
CQC / seems to end up in my hands out of 23 of his brothers most of the time.

Emerson just doesn´t feel likely to let you down. Never.
 
Actually if tackling the thread title then Emersons are not hype. Hype's is too harsh a word. It's like 20-30 years later and looking back at the Zero Tolerance and Strider line and saying it's hype. Different times different directions/designs/technology/etc.

The chisel grind issue should be on a different thread on it's own. Emerson's choice and reasons for chisel grind (enable sharper edge angle though achievable in symmetrical grind but easier with chisel) is sound.

For the purposes (Which I read in this thread in a post by a forumite) it was intended which is SD then it serves the purpose because many people swear by it.
 
As a self-defense blade they're great...but I'd rather have a blade with a bit more general utility in it for that money. Ernie is a great guy, really, but his knives just aren't my cup of tea.
 
The CQC7b should work just fine for normal cutting chores. I just don't see a practical advantage for having a tanto (other than being able to stab through a tough material with minimal damage to the tip, which isn't a very common need for many people) or a chisel grind. Again, it should work fine with minimal to no hindrance to using a knife for common cutting chores.

I had a CQC7b that I eventually gave to a friend because I wanted him to have a quality knife. But I never found myself cutting some rope thinking to myself "I wish I had a knife with belly because it would be so much easier". I just opened the knife, cut the material and put it back in my pocket just like if it were any of my other knives.
 
Emerson makes high quality folders. The steel is not super space age, but it is very good and they have some of the better liner locks out there. Plus, the wave is just cool. I have several autos, but the wave is by far the fastest and easiest knife to open out of the pocket.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
As a self-defense blade they're great...but I'd rather have a blade with a bit more general utility in it for that money. Ernie is a great guy, really, but his knives just aren't my cup of tea.
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Yep.

I'm not a waver either though. Feels borderline abusive.
 
tirod3 said:
I said "Don't even go into combatives, it doesn't happen."

The reply: knife fights never happen? wow thats a revelation, is a common misunderstanding of combat - i.e., armed confrontation.

Ask any instructor in armed combat what they would choose, chisel ground tanto blades rank way down the list. Guns are first, anything else second, then knives.

Knife fights are usually perpetrated by overwrought women using common V grind kitchen knives. Two immature males squaring off with weapons and deliberately choosing a short range CQC-7 folder over guns, baseball bats, or rocks is not only uncommon, but stupid.

There's a lot of that thinking among young men, it's one reason it takes months for Basic Training.

No, the CQC-7 isn't all hype, but it's not the be-all end-all either.
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thanks for yet another revelation lol.

so now ya are saying they do happen?
 
I've carried a mini cqc7 for about two years, and the only disadvantage of the American tanto I've found, is that it's straight edges are not good for skinng. Since I carry other knives during hunting season, that's not a problem. As for every day utility use consisting mostly of cutting up cardboard and opening packages, I've found the chisle grind to be superior to standard grinds.
 
I've had the Mini-cqc7 (tanto blade) for a few months. Blade length of 2.9 inches. It isn't too heavy but feels absolutely rock solid. The liner widths on the smaller emersons seem to be just as thick as the larger models, so they feel really overbuilt - which I like.

I just like the look of the tanto blade shape. I also like the smaller secondary edge for push type of cuts, so for me, fine for edc. Fits really nice in jeans, no issues squatting down and pocket clip is nice and solid.

I also have a Emerson horseman (mini-cqc8) and it's great to. That is another great edc but just a tiny bit larger, 3.5 inches. Fits in jeans just fine though.

I don't think that Emersons are all hype, they seem to be good solid knives and they seem to all have handles that fit the hand perfectly.

Thanks.
 
Hype, Heck NO!!

Don't listen to these prejudiced, single minded haters, go out and buy yourself one and then decide for yourself.


Oh, tierod3 your an expert on hand to hand and CQC??

I'm no expert but I can tell ya, I would rather transition to a knife than a stick or baseball bat anytime. Short range, yes, you just have to know how to be combative in a CQC situation-- 'close the distance'. Would one choose it over a gun, probably not, but one would certainly choose it over a rock any day of the year.
 
spidyman said:
Hype, Heck NO!!

Don't listen to these prejudiced, single minded haters, go out and buy yourself one and then decide for yourself.


Oh, tierod3 your an expert on hand to hand and CQC??

I'm no expert but I can tell ya, I would rather transition to a knife than a stick or baseball bat anytime. Short range, yes, you just have to know how to be combative in a CQC situation-- 'close the distance'. Would one choose it over a gun, probably not, but one would certainly choose it over a rock any day of the year.
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Yeah i know that there are tons of heavy rocks just lying around all over urban enviornments. :p

seriously tierod3 just over simplfied the hell out of it, if you dont think that a knife is a good weapon than your an idiot, you think people have been assasinating each other for centuries with knives for the heck of it? in world war 2 the french resistance is usually pictured with smgs but in reality they did more work with blades, a nazi officer goes into a whorehouse and when hes naked gets stabbed repeatedly in the kidneys, jim bowie must have been a very immature male.....

if you wanna get serious then army combatives are BS to begin with.

oh and if combatives are the be all end all than why does a little school named vanguard exist?
 
it is not a hype knife but a good user. some hate chisel grinds but the intent as to be an all around knife for hard use and self defense imho
 
i remember reading in a magazine (tactical knives i think) on the first waved Emerson and how it came about. i'm sure i read it wrong but according to the article the wave feature was requested by SEAL teams for a blade catcher. later it said they found out it would snag on your pocket and open the folder.

now if i did read it correctly i would call the blade catcher hype. you would have to be greatly skilled to catch someone's blade in a wave opener on a 3" pocket knife. absurd sounding to me anyway.

like i said i'm probably way off on that. i will try and find the article in question and reread it.
 
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