So... Tomorrow night starts the new Dual Survival...

I liked last nights show. I thought the orange para cord was pretty cool. You all know how I like the orange.
You know if Cody want and likes to wear shorts in the snow more power to him. I am not going to do that. I would be dressed more like Dave was.

All in all a pretty good show.

Bryan

100%! Not something I would do but it is the way he lives his life. Seems that too much posting and too much dialogue on the show is taken up with why no pants and why no shoes. I guess it's good tv fodder to exploit since they literally have to mention it in every episode. They could save a lot of time if they just moved on. Then maybe we could see more of Dave lighting his arm on fire. :)
 
http://www.codylundin.com/survive_tv.html

Survival on TV

By Cody Lundin

I thought long and hard before writing the contents of this page as I knew it would piss some people off. In the end, my obligation as a survival instructor is to tell it as I see it, consequences be damned.

Another reason I chose to put this in writing is the onslaught of people asking me what I think about the survival shows on television. Instead of spouting out another one liner, or taking time, (again) to explain the details of the situation, I’m putting my opinion down here for all to read and accept or reject as they see fit.

Here are some important points to consider, as it’s in them that I’ve based my opinion.

First, realize that I don’t watch TV. I consider the lion’s share of programming to be a waste of time. Second, I have participated in a lot of television over the years both on and off camera. I know what producers want and how the game works. Third, I am intimately acquainted with the realities of survival skills based upon years of “doing it” in the field with and without students. Thus, due to my level of experience, it’s not difficult for me to figure out if “something survival” is faked or embellished on TV – and I myself have done the faking on more than one occasion.

While trapped in my hotel room in Portland, Oregon in October of 2007 as part of my book tour for When All Hell Breaks Loose, I caught parts of two major survival programs on cable television. Unfortunately for one of the hosts, the show I watched was filmed in Arizona’s Sonoran desert. I lasted 10 minutes before I changed the channel due to inaccuracies and poor desert survival priorities. For the other popular show, I lasted even less time as the programming was simply dangerous to the viewer if taken seriously. The point of this page is not to critique other people’s television shows. It is to enlighten you as to how the game works regarding programming on TV.

First, ratings rule on television as its all about the money. If a show does not draw enough viewers to support the dollars spent in advertising during the program, the show or “pilot” (test show to see if there is enough viewer interest to make a series) will be cancelled. Now-a-days, to achieve ratings, almost anything goes. Notice how radical many nature shows have become. In the 1960s, Jacques Cousteau, host of The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau, would never have dreamed of interfering with wildlife the way today’s animal program hosts are expected to do. (His son said as much in an interview after Steve Irwin’s death) In the past, television shows about wildlife featured the wildlife itself as the star, and the human host was all but irrelevant.

This thirst for ratings colors everything, and truth and reason go out the window when people stand to make a lot of money. It is expected that the television host and the production company will bend the rules to allow whatever network executives want to appear on TV. If the host doesn’t prostitute themselves out to the network and deliver the right product, there is a line of people more than willing to do so. I myself have been asked to do incredibly dumb things by network executives such as purposely fall into cold water and get hypothermic in the name of “drama.”

Second, big city producers and the networks themselves haven’t a clue about what real wilderness survival skills entail, and the proof is in their over-the-top yet shallow programming. Real survival can be boring, which is unacceptable for TV. How visually interesting is it to watch someone die from hypothermia, the most common way to die in a real survival situation? Also, there is no quality control for programming other than if “Joe viewer” will watch it, and needless to say, a gullible general public is just as clueless about survival skills as the networks. For some reason, if a program appears on television, people assume it to be factually correct and well researched; and at times nothing could be further from the truth.

Thirdly, depending on the show, the illusion of television and the big screen is largely that. Once the initial filming has been accomplished in the field, there is nothing that can’t be faked or tweaked to a producers liking in the edit bay back at the production company. No one is willing to risk an entire operating budget to film in Africa and not get what they came for, one way or another. Again, money is the name of the game. In my “eat a rat” video, a production company hired a film crew for specific reasons to film me. It was known before hand that the intention of the shoot was for me to kill and eat a packrat. As the film crew was being paid and on site for only a day, I had to kill the rat the day before. I placed the long dead rat under the deadfall rock minutes before we shot the scene. It appears that the deadfall trap was tripped and killed the rat…which was the point. Again, almost anything can be done in the edit room with the right footage.

[video=youtube;J46qjt7T8RE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46qjt7T8RE&feature=player_embedded[/video]

If the television shows in question were simply cooking or home decorating shows, I wouldn’t care. But these shows are supposedly depicting human survival skills. If these skills are faked or embellished and made to appear as fact on the show instead of entertainment, we have entered into an entirely different realm of accountability. Touting “edit room survival skills” as real survival skills can kill real people in real survival scenarios. In fairness to the networks, anyone who bases their preparedness program on a television show should probably leave the gene pool anyway. Does watching a football game on TV mean you know how to throw a football? In like fashion, watching a program or reading a book on survival doesn’t mean you know how to deal with a survival scenario.

If you love your survival shows and pick up a cool survival tidbit or two, fine. But please have the common sense and wisdom to realize the show for what it is -- entertainment.
 
http://www.codylundin.com/survive_tv.html

About my role in Discovery's Dual Survival show:

September 2009.

To Whom It May Concern,

Teaching survival skills has been my passion and my profession for a very long time. I take this lifestyle choice seriously and strive to give the very best training to my students both in and out of the field. I live my profession, and continuously refine my self-reliant homestead to embody the most effective combination of ancient and modern technologies designed to do more with less. I am acutely aware that my training may some day help decide a student’s fate during a real survival scenario. Unfortunately, even many so-called survival instructors are not burdened by this all important responsibility, (let alone television producers) and over the years, I’ve witnessed hundreds of examples of crappy or flat out dangerous instruction.

Please know that I have little if any control over how Dual Survival is ultimately concepted, produced, and edited. While all production work involves the efforts of many talented individuals, very few if any of the players involved with this show have any experience in outdoor survival skills. It wouldn’t be a stretch to surmise that the majority of the top urban people involved have not even camped outside. So what happens when “city slickers” design an outdoor survival show? Only time will tell.

I have and will try my best to make the show as authentic and professional as possible – while still being fun to watch! I have and will continue to push this agenda personally and professionally, using the talent and clout of an entertainment attorney as well to further these wishes. Regardless of my efforts – as my grandmother used to say – “whatever will be will be.”

It’s in the spirit of educated hope, faith, and trust that I enter this project; knowing full well that compromises will have to be made by "each side". To my students, and somewhat to the readers of my books, you know my training far more intimately than any TV show could portray. It’s to my students that I give my undying gratitude. These hearty souls have bothered to get off their butts and follow me into the mountains and deserts over the years, come what may; desiring to know the truth about survival skills. Decades of students have helped me to achieve a level of competency, “dirt time”, and stark honesty that can never be bought or faked. Thank you!

In short, watch the show, laugh, and learn a survival trick or two. But…never, ever base your emergency preparedness plan on a television show.

Sincerely,

Cody
 
I've read Cody's essays on this topic from his website before, but it is a good reminder for you to post them here again. I think one has to understand that the show is about entertainment first and take what grains of salt are thrown in there. Hell, at this point in the game, the producers probably won't let Cody wear shoes even if he decided he wanted to! (I know he actually had to make and wear sandals in that desert episode, but they made that a big drama point).

I always like reading Cody's text. He comes off as a really honest individual and the kind of guy who you could challenge him on points and he won't take offense but enter into debate with you rather than trying to defend his ego and authority. I have never met in person, I have interacted with Jeff Randall quite a bit on his forum and even a couple of times in Chat. He is the same way in that he is willing to examine his position based on an open dialogue and you can tell he enjoys looking at something from different perspectives. Having met and interacted with George Hedgepeth he is the same way. You can interupt him during his lecture and then he will say okay, lets talk about this and discuss it from the pro's and con's point of view. Of course these kinds of interactions are impossible to portray on a television show and most TV worships obnoxious personalities who know how to ham it up and portray plenty of emotion as opposed to introspective, intelligent types. Thats just how it is.
 
Thanks for posting this. I have seen this a few times but it always is a good read. It must be a internal fight with him to be involved in a project that wants to exploit for ratings and at the same time call itself a survival show. I would hope that most people (whether they have survival training or not) would take it for what it's worth. I see some very valuable information on the show and although I have known a lot of it already, I have picked up some gems along the way.

What might be more entertaining than the show itself are the meetings while reviewing this weeks script/scenario where he has to tell them that some of their ideas are pure rubbish. I would certainly think that there has to be some back and forth on that since I feel that he has enough integrity to not involve himself in something that did not provide some good tactics.
 
"anyone who bases their preparedness program on a television show should probably leave the gene pool anyway." Cody Lundin

LOL, that may be the best line ever written on this topic! :)
 
Cody's letter is a good one and the same ideas I share when watching "survival entertainment" shows.

It's also why I don't understand the hatred of Bear Grylls on this forum.
 
I dismiss Cody Lundin, becouse in the end of the day he does it for money.
To flip it around and saying "I know & I do it anyway" do not help him to justify is own actions either!
 
I dismiss Cody Lundin, becouse in the end of the day he does it for money.
To flip it around and saying "I know & I do it anyway" do not help him to justify is own actions either!

Yeah its true, only TV stars ever sacrifice principles for their living wage.....
 
Yeah its true, only TV stars ever sacrifice principles for their living wage.....

If someone pay me to do a certain thing and I agree............I suck it up............
in the same way that he eat the RAT ,in the same way that he suck is own socks, when there is plenty of water around.
Principle and Morality have nothing to do with the complaints.
Cody Complaints becouse he don't like having a BOSS or having someone who commands him, do this & that...........this is his problem
Is making money Under Contract.....suck it:D
 
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