so....very confused.

williamsld8

williamsld8

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I see a lot of videos on youtube and a lot of posts on other forums sites comparing the becker bk2, 7, and 9 to similar knives from esee, scrapyard, swamprat, and a couple others i cant remember the name of, and the bk2 seems to get bashed by the fans of the others for its "lack of ability to perform as well" as the ones compared to it. my question is this: is it unfair to compare the bk2 to these knives? the bk2 goes for $70 on knifecenter, while the esee-5 goes for more than double that. the rat mandu is almost as much as the esee-5 and still double the price of the becker. and the scrapyard scrapper i found used on ebay was $270, blowing all the others so far out of the water. (not trying to deal spot, and not sure if i am, just trying to build up to my point) I personally think its unfair to compare all these knives as equals. If a scrapper or an esee takes more punishment and holds up against more abuse than a becker that cost a fraction of their price, so be it i say. you cant expect to throw a mustang in a race against a super car and expect it to win. they are in two different classes. am i right? or am i missing something for the sake of backing up the bk2?
 
Bottom line, you wont beat the thoughness of the BK2 by any manufacturer in my opinion. The only thing the higher price blades may offer are slightly better finish, scales or edge retention in a more exotic steel ;)
 
people who have to buy stupid expensive knives and still feel good about themselves have to bash stuff that threatens their choices and such. esp if there are objects out there that actually perform the same or better ;) moo hah hah. it's all what you choose, and like.

people who bash, typically are doing so ignorantly and have never even owned the thing they are bashing. hating is easy.
 
i hear ya,it all only seems important when you have the option of choice,you`d probaby be estatic with a sharpened tin can lid,if thats all you had and you really needed it,
 
Are all those other brands out there two or three times as good as a Becker, doubtful. Are they somewhat better, sure , maybe, it's different for everybody. I have a bunch of different brands that I like so I'm no fan boi. There's some folks who like the ESEE blades better and I've had a couple, the handles don't jibe with me (too small, too blocky) But I WILL get a Laser Strike when they come out. I like Blind Horse a bunch and Bark river makes some excellent blades (Aurora) in particular. Now Becker, I love the blades for their simple no bullshit design, good ergonomics and quality steel. Are they works of art right out of the box, no way. But you can turn them into works of art, and folks will use them too. I know i'd hesitate to use a $400 knife from busse. Buy a BK2 or Bk 7 and beat the piss out of it, If you don't like it sell and you'll most likely get most of your money back. For what it's worth.
 
Personally, I use and enjoy quite a few different brands like BKT, Esee and BHK. Never try to compare because I own each one for its own purpose. I don't own a BK2 because I generally carry a trio and am happy with an Esee4 or bushcrafter in that role. I love my 7 as a happy medium between a 4"-5" fb and a chopper.
 
Well in all honesty, the bk2 and the ESEE 5 are almost the same knife. The 5 cost more because of the micarta. 1/4 inch 1095 steel is pretty tough I'm not sure who would argue that....
 
calafia666 said:
Well in all honesty, the bk2 and the ESEE 5 are almost the same knife. The 5 cost more because of the micarta. 1/4 inch 1095 steel is pretty tough I'm not sure who would argue that....
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More because of the Micarta and the kydex sheath right?
 
You just have choices to make, thats all. You have to decide what is best for you. I beat the piss outta my knives, if i can't, then what the hell is point in having it in the first place. One mans use is another mans abuse. Here is my take: I think that Beckers ROCK because of thier total design, & price point. Even most high end custom knives do not come with a sheath that i like. I am VERY picky when it comes to my sheaths. I also am a tinker-er. I now have no problem modding any of my Becker or other blades, thanks to the wonderfull people on here that pointed me in the right direction. I can now take a $70 knife, modify it EXACTLY the way i want it & have a custom sheath made EXACTLY the way i want it, & end up with perfecton (for me anyway) for under $200 total. It is all in what you want. Things that i personally like are: large choils, 3" or so of jimping, grippy handles, flat spot for fire steel, sheaths that have no retention strap on handle, dangler/swivel belt loop, functional elastic leg strap. I also really like the lanyard hole in the front of the handle on large choppers-so if you do let go, it stays right in your palm. Pretty don't matter much to me but function does. With Beckers you get both.

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amen! im currently roaming/testing through a few smaller fixed blades to use in conjunction with the bk2 (fallk f1 right now) and man i gotta say function>form! i use my knives FOR THEIR INTENDED PURPOSES and want them to excel in their fields. im not going to want to make a $4,5,600 dollar investment on a blade just to beat the hell out of it, i will feel horrible, and im sure they will do fine, busse etc. but i can take my stripped,beat bk2 out and not feel bad about having it do what it was intended to do. its one thing to buy an amazingly crafted, perfectly built/finished, expensive knife to use but its another to BUILD a knife to your exact specs and needs/wants. i just cant spend that much its like buying a brand new car to take it to a demo derby..... its just sad but different strokes for different folks. my $0.02

Tyler_C
 
It's mostly psychology. People refuse to believe that the high speed - low drag blade they paid a week's salary for doesn't perform any better than a production blade. Good design, execution and field performance do not always mean high price. I believe what sets the Beckers apart are excellent designs that are very easy to produce on a large scale. Ethan tends to hit the nail on the head by focusing on simple designs with first rate ergonomics, blade shape and grind, and by using a very good steel that is also easy for a manufacturer to work with.

While I'm not a huge fan of the BK-2 I still find it to be a very well conceived and executed knife. Remember, Ethan designed it as a replacement for the British MOD 4 knife, and with that in mind he succeed. However, I am a huge fan of his other blades, particularly the BK-7. I think the BK-7 is the best 'battle blade' I've seen, and I've carried and used a lot over the course of a 23 year Army career. In the role of a general purpose soldier's utility knife it is a far better blade than USMC combat knife or even the Randall Model 14 I used to carry. Can you pay more for a blade to serve in the same role? Sure. Will you be buying better real world performance? No.
 
*ahem*

I do believe it was someone wiser than myself that said, "Haters gunna hate."
 
Better is relative to the end-user. I don't know any one who could use the BK2 to its full potential not even Rambo,lol. The fact that everyone keeps comparing their knives to the BK2 should tell us something in itself. FWIW I also own different brands and enjoy all of them so I'm not a fanboy so to speak, but I am a fan of the 2 and 9.
 
OREGON FAL'ER said:
More because of the Micarta and the kydex sheath right?
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Most of what I read comes down to this when it comes to the ESEE 5 and BK 2 price difference. I've never really seen where the BK 2 was knocked as less tough, but I haven't spent much time looking either. Even the old death match where the 5 was batoned into the 2, or vice versa, left everyone knowing both knives were tougher than any user:). I can't speak to the others, but BK 2 vs. ESEE 5 seems to come down to aesthetics/personal preference, micarta, and kydex.
 
jdk1 said:
Most of what I read comes down to this when it comes to the ESEE 5 and BK 2 price difference. I've never really seen where the BK 2 was knocked as less tough, but I haven't spent much time looking either. Even the old death match where the 5 was batoned into the 2, or vice versa, left everyone knowing both knives were tougher than any user:). I can't speak to the others, but BK 2 vs. ESEE 5 seems to come down to aesthetics/personal preference, micarta, and kydex.
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I've also read in two separate places, one was the moose, if I remember correctly, where the Grind is so different between the two of them that they cut totally differently and are really very different blades in how they perform. Haven't owned an esee 5 but it made sense when I read it.
 
With all the reading I've been doing, I really have to agree with everyone else so far. It's sort of like how Nikon user bash on Canon users and vice versa. (Little bit of a photography nut too. That and this = me broke.) Sometimes it's all good natured, but sometimes it's plain stupid.

Reading up on the Beckers and the ESEEs. I see a few differences, but nothing that would tip the scale any one way? Metals are for the most part similar, Ka-Bar Cro-Van rated at HRC 56-58 and ESEE 1095 rated at HRC 57. Couldn't find many details, but comparing the ESEE 5 to the BK2, I see a whole lot of similarities. ESEE builds their pommels with glass breakers at the end, well, the shape of most BK pommels would allow to to smash glass pretty easily if you felt so inclined. ESEE 5 is .25" thick which I'm pretty sure is the same as the BK2. Only real differences I see are in sheath design/materials, coating, and grind. And of course you get the micarta with the ESEE 5.

They was it looks to me is that ESEE offers a whole lot more amenities with their products? Which is fine, I'm sure the knife is great. Some people love the little extras you get, some people could care less. I wouldn't bash either brand cause I'm sure they both do their jobs damn well.

I just vote Becker because I like the no nonsense attitude I get from the knife. It makes me want to to go out and attack something.

Just my two cents. ^_^
 
OREGON FAL'ER said:
More because of the Micarta and the kydex sheath right?
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Thats the only difference I see and the main cause of the price difference. Both are great knives.

The different steel and low production numbers of the swamp rats and other busse kin and demand is the reason for the higher prices on them. Personally I prefer ESEE and Becker by a lot over them.

take it easy
cricket
 
a plus on the esee side is their warranty i mean you cant beat it (thats why i chose esee to begin with, but i switched to becker) but then again if you broke a 5......you dont need a knife or you should have brought a different tool.
 
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