So who sets these standards for all this knife testing???

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STIHL

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Do you have to go to a special school to learn this trade???If not I think im gona buy some knifes and break them too!!Maybe we can all break knifes for a living and put all the makers out of buisness?IM IN FOR SOME BLADE BREAKING!!!

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Jay
Life is like a box of chocolates,never know what your gona git!
 
WE DO
If we don't agree with the parameters WE (the group) make it clear. If the parameters are not acceptable or appropriate, we say so and the parameters are changed.
isn't that the way it should be ?
There IS a certain amount of trust........but only while it is earned.
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BrianWE
 
yea Stihl! then expect them to replace them free when we pry and do things knives werent made to do
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There are no "generally accepted" standards for knife-testing. I'm afraid that would amost be like generally accepted standards for church-testing, they way some folks get really excited over it. And any knife can be broken, though I haven't heard of anybody managing to do it bare-handed to an H.I. Ang Kola yet. Then again, there are many things in this world I haven't heard of yet.

Any imagined relationship between this thread and any past threads where personality conflicts have surfaced (no, there are no generally accepted standards of "niceness" either) should be ignored for the sake of peace.
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Does anybody who tests knives from time to time want to discuss what their standards are, perhaps without, for this purpose, getting into what knives have passed and failed them?


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- JKM
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Unfortunately the paramaters have gotten away from real world testing and into destructive testing which proves nothing.
I knife should be worked and worked hard at what it was made to do.
 
I am up for this knife testing thing. Can anyone please send me a log they have laying around that they are not useing?
 
Unless a Maker says its ok to pry your trunk open,do you think we should try it and then expect him to replace it when it breaks????
I can see if he sent you a knife to begin with for testing.Now when you give him the money,and he gives you the knife,does that give you the right to try to break it?

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Jay
Life is like a box of chocolates,never know what your gona git!
 
If the maker or manufacturer has made specific claims of heavy use or abuse tolerance, like lateral stress, it might be appropriate to test those claims before relying on the knife in an emergency situation.


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- JKM
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This is obviously a continuation of a "just" locked thread.

No knife should be tested beyond the makers claims, IMHO.

If you don't think prying is part of the task of a survival knife, then you have obviously never chopped wood and gotten the blade stuck in it, forcing you to pry it out. No one has EVER used a knife as a wedge to split wood, have they?

Obviously the Ghurkas and Nepalese Kamis know a lot about tough survival blades, as do some knifesmiths in the west. Could this be the reason why Brend knives command a premium. Even Les Robertson once commented on how tough these knives are. I specifically remember him discussing using the knife to cut blocks of ice out, which the knife handled without any problems. Could this be the reason that Carson and Busse knives have a waiting period of delivery of 18 years(I jest of course). I guess that the U-2 is more than just a filet knife. The Battle mistress is not just designed to scrape old paint off wood is it? I guess that Johansen Tac11 isn't really penetrating steel plate, that was cardboard meant to look like steel.
Testing should be done to simulate possible conditions of use that the maker claims for his product.

The average consumer is not going to beat up his knife that he just laid out a good sum of cash for. That's why it is nice to see people who do test the knives for what they were intended.
 
Tim, I got lots of knives to put through the mill. I'll gladly accept that ole ironwood log end even pay the shipping.
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When I think about knife testing it reminds me of a scene from the movie, "The Dirty Dozen". Ooooooh, it makes my skin crawl when I think how many morons have broken perfectly good blades by jamming them in between the drawer and top of an old military desk and standing on it. Take care forumites and keep on testing those blades!!!! Michael

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Always think of your fellow knife makers as partners in the search for the perfect blade, not as people trying to compete with you and your work!
 
Knives are tested for the same reason hundreds of cars are destroyed each year. SAFETY!!! I don't want any freaking faulty locks chopping my fingers off.
2) Because destroying them is the fastest way to compare two or more knives to each other. You are able to find out each of the knives' tolerances immediately, and what's nice is that these tolerances can be measured in such destructive testing, so that any knives that are tested in the future may be destroyed, without destroying previously tested models.
Excuse me if I say "Duh!" because this stuff comes to me as being extremely obvious
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One small step for man, One giant leap for frogs, One mile for fleas.
It's all about perspective.
 
I had just recently purchased a survival knife from a "well known" maker. Excited about my new purchase I immediately set out to do some real world testing of the 1/4" thick INFI steel blade. As I was also hungry, it was fairly easy to come up with the test parameters. I grabbed two pieces of bread and a fresh jar of peanut butter. As I plunged the blade at least a quarter inch into the jar and began to forcefully lever out the peanut butter, approximately one inch of the tip of the blade snapped off without warning. Although disappointed that this had occurred, I knew that I had no one to blame but myself. Clearly I had violated several of the age old rules concerning proper knife usage. Mistake number one was obviously stabbing the tip of the knife into the peanut butter. Knives are made to slice, not stab. I then further exacerbated an already dangerous situation by applying a prying force to the blade as I attempted to lever the peanut butter out of the jar. I should have remembered that a knife is designed to cut with pressure applied down the vertical axis of the blade, not laterally as I had so foolishly done. It was an expensive lesson to learn, but I'll be sure to never again abuse one of my expensive survival blades by using it in a manner for which it was not intended.
Come on guys, let's regain a little perspective here. As absurd as the above example sounds, it absolutely meets some of the definitions of "abuse" proposed in this and other locked threads which shall remain nameless. If certain events transpired in exactly the manner stated by the originator of the "other" thread, I don't see how you take umbrage with people who feel that it is unreasonable to expect a blade to fail under these circumstances. If, on the other hand, you feel the originator misrepresented the facts, then that's a completely different discussion. In this forum I'll take a man at his word until I have reason to do otherwise.
 
It's deja vue all over again.

If you use the forum as a stabbing device, constantly pushing it to its limits by bending the rules, how long before it will break?


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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman
 
I think you have to expect a hard use knife to stand up to a reasonable amount of abuse.I dont think prying is good with any knife but neither is tapping the spine of a knife to check the lock and I dont see anyone up in arms about that.Hoodoo you are correct: it seems like the whole gang is here representin'
troy
 
I am very disturbed about the unreasonable knife tests being done on wood. I see tests where somebody stabs a big heavy knife half an inch or even farther into a board and pries sideways with it until the wood breaks. What does that prove??? You can break any board if you pry at it hard enough! And then they take it back to the lumberyard and demand a replacement! You can't expect wood to hold up to tempered steel -- it's just not reasonable. Boards are not meant to be abused in such ways and you shouldn't expect them to be warranted for it. As our own Bram Frank has been known to say from time to time, "Steel cuts flesh" -- well, I've got news for you "knife testers," steel cuts wood, too! Steel cuts wood and steel splits wood and steel fractures wood and that's all there is to it, and anybody who expects anything else to happen when steel meets wood must be some kind of idiot. If I owned the lumberyard I wouldn't replace your board if you were the last customer on Earth.


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I am trying to keep my oar out of the water on this topic (indeed, contemplating puting an oar on my shoulder and walking inland until I reach a spot where someone points to it and asks me what it is).

However, L6, could you have been possibly thinking of 'Devil's Brigade?' This starred (I think) William Holden and Vince Evans. At one point Holden, the CO of the newly formed American Canadian spec ops unit, takes a knife out of a package he got in the mail, sticks it between the desk and drawer, and pushes down on the handle with his hand. The blade snaps, and Holden disgustedly tosses it aside.

Of course, even if I am right about the movie, it was made in an unenlightened era where knives were expected to be prying tools in an emergency.

In 'Dirty Dozen' I believe they used standard bayonets. Certainly that is what 'maggot' (Telly Savalas) stabbed the young woman with.

Movies aside, perhaps some ingenious maker could provide a knife with a torque wrench like meter with a digital read out on the handle, measured in inch pounds, or inch ounces, or whatever, and guarantee the knife up to only a certain level (in the lateral plane). Just a thought.
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Walt

 
G guys does this meen I can take the wifes new car,crash it in to a pole,then call chevy and see if they`ll give me a new one???People clearly dont see the Fing point!!!!Everyone is a blade pro now....right??Hey if I need to pry something with my knifes,Im gona pry.If they break,they break.Thats all there is to it.This doesn`t meen im gona try to open man hole covers with them JUST TO SEE IF THEY REALY CAN DO IT!!!!Comeon,gime a fing break.

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Jay
Life is like a box of chocolates,never know what your gona git!
 
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