So you're outfitting the hands on a ranch ...

One time I saw a wall-eyed very wild range cow, bawling, tongue a foot out, spraying dust, dirt, mud, sh.., and slobber, climb over a solid 6 foot board fence and head for Canada. She would have created numerous new orifices for anybody who got in her way. By the way, I apologize for an impression I must have given, that modern cowboys don't use horses, hats and boots. I just meant that that old way of working cattle is slipping into the background where it is not needed. In many situations, it IS needed, and always will be. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. By the way, I can catch (the hard part), bridle, saddle and ride a horse too.

I can equate to catching a horse. We've got a ranch nearby and one of their fence lines is right on the city limit line. The ranch house is about a mile from the city limits and the pasture behind the house runs to that city limit line. One of the kids that lives there wanted to ride her horse to town so she went out to catch her horse. Well, by the time she caught it, she was only about 100-yards from the city limit line so she said the heck with it and walked the rest of the way into town.:)

By the way -- No ruffled feathers as far as I'm concerned.
 
I'll have to poll the local cowboys I know to see what they carry/use. I'm trying to think what I've seen Dal and Kenny have on their belts at lunch. I think I've only seen Buck 110 like pouches or multi-tools. I rarely see Ed out of church so I'll have to ask him and Pastor Rod what they have on when they work cattle.

I do know that the Border Patrol allows their horse patrol officers to wear a fixed blade knife on their duty belt when out on the horses specifically to cut the reins if they get in a bind. I'll have to ask Vince what kind of a holster he uses. I'm not sure that BP issues a knife either, just allows one to be carried.

And although I don't know if they wear it in the saddle there is a local horse ranch that I know the owner always has a fixed blade knife, a very sharp one too, with her when she's on the ground. In fact, a couple summers ago she almost lynched one of her hands who improperly tied up a mare and then didn't have a knife on to cut the rope when the horse had a fit. Caused quite a bit of a stir at the local diner for a while. Apparently more than one person thought if she wasn't going to hang the hand she should have at least "cut" him to prevent him from diluting the gene pool anymore.
 
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I shoe horse for a living. When I'm not doing that I break and train. As far as traditional knives go I carry a folding hunter and a stockman. I also need something I can open and close with one hand while the other hand is tied up so unfortunately I have to carry a pocket clip knife usually a benchmade. I've tried leaving it at home because I prefer the old school knives but I always find myself needing it at the worst times. As far as hats go.... In the southern New Mexico and West Texas sun they are a necessity. Some of my friends that shoe horses just get away with wearing a ball cap but if I'm not working in a shaded barn I'm wearing a hat with nice full sized brim. Right about this time of year the sun is deadly around here and all of my friends in ball caps end up with burns and blisters on the back of their necks. When it comes to boots I wear justin work boots and don't wear the slick bottom cowboy boots unless I'm gonna be riding. One of dreams is to own my own ranch someday and IF I were to hand out knives to my hands it would be a stockman and if I could afford it I might throw in something like this....

http://catalog.mooremaker.com/viewProduct.cfm?item_id=727406

When roping for sport or work a one handed opening knife comes in really handy in an emergency. It's hard to control a horses reigns with one hand and reach in your pocket or sheath and unfold a knife at the same time. I know several guys that have lost fingers roping. I must say that they lost them so quick that a knife of any kind would have done little to help. But there is always the chance of getting hung up while on horse back, roping or not. I can also state first hand that a single hand opening or fixed blade knife works great for salvaging a panicked horse that is tied. They can hurt themselves pretty quick if the slip not malfunctions and won't loosen not to mention they can hurt any one near them especially the guy nailing shoes on.

Almost forgot... I thought that as a farrier the equestrian trapper knife would make a good choice so I bought one and tried carrying it for a while. I found myself with pockets and sheaths full of horse manure. The hoof pick works pretty well but I don't have the time to be wiping it clean after each use so I just use my good old fashioned hoof pick and let the knives be knives.
 
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I think Neeman was making a pun. The "En Guard" part was a clue. You know, "Fencing", the art of using a sword for self defense?

Alas, you seldom need a sword to defend yourself against cattle unless you're a matador.

Both a pun, and wanting to know about how to use fencing pliers
 
This is a totally amazing thread
The amount on knowladge being shared!!

A big thanks to all
 
With my limited traditional knife knowledge I would say a few country cousins. But it wouldn't suprise me if there are better options.
 
Both a pun, and wanting to know about how to use fencing pliers

And I know where you got the picture from too (or at least I think I do).

I've never learned to use them properly but I've always carried a pair of fencing pliers in the truck.
 
I always had a stockman or trapper in my shirt pocket or, in the winter time, jacket pocket. Easy to get to while in the saddle. Easy to get to while sitting in the truck. Hell, just plain easy to get to. Fixed blades rode in the truck or saddle bags. Chance enough to get hurt or killed in the back country without adding to it. I like the buckaroo pouch idea but it would still be a pain to get out of the pocket while mounted. Think I'll stick to my way of carry. Great thread by the way...... and I wouldn't outfit my hands with a knife..... to personal a choice in my opinion.
 
An old guy I grew up around on a ranch had this pair of shotgun chaps he wore every day of his working life, only time I ever saw him out of them was on Sunday. He had this knife pouch sewn onto the right hand pocket of his chaps that always held a sodbuster that was sharp as all getout. He also had a very well worn stockman that rode in his pants pocket or shirt pocket depending on if he foresaw the need for it.

If I were to outfit a couple hands on the ranch, they would be given a choice of knives between a stockman, a trapper, or a sodbuster. Those were the three patters I saw more then anything else. All either with yellow scales or jigged bone.

edit; and in all reality what it would be is an annual "bonus" where they would be given $XX.XX and be told "I expect to see a knew knife in your pocket by the time you make it back out here next week." Otherwise it would most likely wind up buying a bottle of Crown Royal ;) and most likely it would wind up paying for a bottle of Crown and an Old Timer
 
I'll have to poll the local cowboys I know to see what they carry/use.

Yeah, that would be cool. :thumbup:

If I were to outfit a couple hands ... in all reality what it would be is an annual "bonus" where they would be given $XX.XX and be told "I expect to see a knew knife in your pocket by the time you make it back out here next week." Otherwise it would most likely wind up buying a bottle of Crown Royal ;) and most likely it would wind up paying for a bottle of Crown and an Old Timer

Wow, I guess I'm more qualified to be a ranch hand than I thought! :D
 
I've seen the commercials. California has Happy Cows :D

Yeah, and they all look like the ones in the commercials, a few happy cows grazing in a huge green pasture....

I live in the #1 dairy county in the nation, and there are dairy farms all over the place here. But they are typically 5000 head in a feedlot, with huge silage piles nearby.
 
I like the buckaroo pouch idea but it would still be a pain to get out of the pocket while mounted. Think I'll stick to my way of carry.

Nothing wrong with your carry at all. The buckaroo pouch is usually carried in the front or back pocket and as you say can be a bit difficult to pull if mounted. The way to do it is just stand in the stirrups a bit to make the pull from the pocket easier and once the pouch is pulled while working you just leave it dangle from the strap until you're finished. It easy to locate that way to either take your knife from the pouch or put it back in the pouch.
 
This is a totally amazing thread
The amount on knowladge being shared!!

A big thanks to all

I agree 100%

I recently read The Border Trilogy by Cormac McCarthy, and the fellows in those books do some cowboying, but there isn't much mention of knives. The only horse I ever rode was on a merry-go-round, but it's very interesting to get the real scoop from folks that know what they're talking about.
 
Last night I watched a show on Animal Planet called "Last American Cowboy." The series follows the (mis)adventures of cowboys on three family-owned ranches in Montana. In this episode one of the cowboys skinned a dead calf so that he could drape the hide over an orphan, thereby masking the orphans' scent and allowing it to nurse with the cow that lost the calf. I wasn't able to definitively identify the knife used, but it looked a lot like a sodbuster.
 
Last night I watched a show on Animal Planet called "Last American Cowboy." The series follows the (mis)adventures of cowboys on three family-owned ranches in Montana. In this episode one of the cowboys skinned a dead calf so that he could drape the hide over an orphan, thereby masking the orphans' scent and allowing it to nurse with the cow that lost the calf. I wasn't able to definitively identify the knife used, but it looked a lot like a sodbuster.

I watched it, too, but I could'a sworn that whatever the knife was, it had bolsters. Have any of y'all ever seen the episode of Dirty Jobs where Mike Rowe works with a sheep rancher in Colorado? The rancher uses what looks to me like a Case trapper.

If any of y'all are interested, John Erickson's book, The Modern Cowboy, is a really good window into the day-to-day workings of a ranch in the Texas Panhandle.

James
 
I watched it, too, but I could'a sworn that whatever the knife was, it had bolsters. Have any of y'all ever seen the episode of Dirty Jobs where Mike Rowe works with a sheep rancher in Colorado? The rancher uses what looks to me like a Case trapper.

If any of y'all are interested, John Erickson's book, The Modern Cowboy, is a really good window into the day-to-day workings of a ranch in the Texas Panhandle.

James

Could be, I'm just going off memory. I didn't see the handles, but the blade shape reminded me of a sodbuster.
 
Hadn't noticed this thread so here are my two cents about the topic:

First, the idea that a fellow had better already have his own gear is not realistic. Sorry, that's just the way it is. Second, many of these ranches are also used for hunting operations and that's where a lot of knives come into use: gutting, caping etc.. Third, no vaquero (cowboy) is going to work cattle or take a horse through thick brush with a sheathed knife on his belt....or at least none that I've ever heard of. That's a good way to drive a blade into your thigh when you're bucked off or when you smack into a rock-hard mesquite and it wins and you lose and the blade finds its way into your guts, legs, ribs.

A lot of these vaqueros come from places south (that's just the facts) and though those guys are fearless, expert horsemen (it runs in their blood!), willing to work 12 hours a day or more, they don't have the loot to buy their own stuff. But man, those guys are workers and they take for granted things that most people think of as specielties; for example, gutting, caping, boning etc., is something they've been doing since they were children.

The MOST POPULAR knife on many ranches is the Sodbuster design. Most are Eye Brand because you can get them at just about every hardware and feedstore in the region. I've never seen a Queen (that's kind of expensive for a working knife that must be bought for several ranch hands), although I have seen some Case knives and Boker.

Ranchers will go into a hardware store and buy twenty or more Eye Brand Sodbusters and 12 months later they'll do it again. On the big ranches they can have a multi-million dollar hunting operation going on and those vaqueros become guides, trackers, and game handlers once the animal is down. Those knives get used in 12 months more than the average fellow uses his favorite folder in a lifetime.
 
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I'll be danged if this thread doesn't need some art work :D

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This one, titled "The Pocket Knife," is by a William Matthews and comes courtesy of http://www.oldwestmuseum.org/museum_purchase_collection.asp

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Woodsroamer, your post hits close to home for me on a few points.

Having been stationed for two years on one occasion and a year and a half on another tour, in south Texas, I got to know a lot of the people in that area. I was at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, and there were some ranches in the hill country to the north, up by Canyon Lake, that rented horses, and had horse mounted camping trips in the hill country.

Being a knife knut even at that time, I do recall seeing a lot of the hands, from south of the border, carrying medium to large low cost single blade knives that were in the sodbuster catogory. They mostly seemed to have wood handles and were used in such a way, it was plain that the owner thought of it as a cheap tool to be used for 'everything' that would make a knife knut cringe in horror. We're taking hard use! Cutting, prying, digging, scraping, and such. The stuff of nightmares to a knife lover.

I met a girl down there that was to become my wife of almost 40 years now. Karen was from what they called 'the valley', down by Harlingen, and being part Mexican, some of her family lived down in Matomoros Mexico. Most of her family was involved in the citrus growing in the valley. All her male family carried a low cost, large single blade folder that was sort of like a soddie, with a few hawkbills tossed in. Some were Tiawan made with some sort of wood handles, some the lower cost U.S. made plastic handle Imperial or Camillus. A few large brass framed Pakastan lockblades. I remember seeing some Sabre brand. Again, they were treated roughly, and it was clear they thought of the knife as a cheap tool to be used up and repaced. Even to the point of being stropped on a concrete step. But, it worked for them.

Fast forward a bunch of years, and we now live in my home state of Maryland, and in a nice nieghborhood with a landsscape crew that comes in every week to mow and maintian the development. Common areas get fresh mulch and plants, sidewalks get trimmed and edged. Like South Texas, all the workers are from south of the border, some do not speak English, but Karen is fluent in Spanish and tosses the lingo around with them when she takes a pitcher of ice tea out to them on a really hot day. Being the knife knut, I take note of what they carry, and again, a simple single blade low cost knife, that gets used very hard. Chinese knives, soddie like mostly, with a hawkbill here and there. I've yet to see a knife that cost more than a few beers. I have a feeling that these knives are just replaced as they are used up.

I think sometimes we have to remind ourselves that to those who are not aflicted with our disease, a knife is just like a .99 cent screwdriver; just something to use on a job.
 
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