Sodbuster & Rancher

Guys, I believe the 8Cr15MoV was a typo, as I've never seen that designation anywhere. Besides the Moly and the Vanadium, 8Cr13MoV has a little Nickel as well.
 
You don't have the Case and the AG Russell in the same position in every picture. In picture numbers 2 & 3, is the AG the thicker knife?

Thanks.
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was wondering about the placement of the knives in the pictures.
 
Dornblaser said:
You don't have the Case and the AG Russell in the same position in every picture. In picture numbers 2 & 3, is the AG the thicker knife?

Thanks.
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The Case is thicker, and has brass liners. The A.G. has stainless liners and flat scales.
 
black mamba said:
Guys, I believe the 8Cr15MoV was a typo, as I've never seen that designation anywhere. Besides the Moly and the Vanadium, 8Cr13MoV has a little Nickel as well.
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Absolutely correct black mamba! :thumbup:

Not only was it a typo.....
It was MY typo :o
 
Wish the Case soddies came with a lanyard hole. That would be perfection in a single blade EDC.
 
Thanks for the great pictures Rob. I just ordered a Rancher and am looking forward to seeing it in person. The blade shape and lanyard hole had me sold. Looks like a good shade of yellow too.
-Nick
 
Looks like a nice sturdy, well made knife, but for some reason I'm liking the Sodbuster better too. - Ed J
 
Rob, in your first 2 pics, the Case is above the AGR. Which is uppermost in the 3rd pic ?
roland
 
I think the design of the AGR merits some discussion. Ken Erickson has already alluded to this. AG has said that the purpose was to create a wide blade (spine to edge distance). What is the advantage this extra steel ? That it can be ground(primary) to a thin edge with a less steep angle ? is this degree of difference over the Case blade of any functional significance ?
What advantage and disadvantage comes with this blade's extra width(or 'depth') ?
roland
 
I actually really like the AGR, but the only think that sticks out to me is the shield... it seems a bit out of proportion with the knife.
 
rprocter said:
I think the design of the AGR merits some discussion.
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Just guessing, Roland, but certainly with the larger version, the broader blade and the broader flatter handle will, in their different ways, aid with slicing: the knife tending to turn less in the hand.

Whether that is a 'significant' advantage, I don't know :) I would say that the GEC #23 range (with broader than usual handles and blades) do offer notably better manipulability than the Case, Eye or Moore Maker large soddie - but again it is not as if the Case, Eye or Moore Maker are slouches in this regard

This is also so with regard to the smaller GEC #73 spey blade folders in comparison to the Queen, MM and Case equivalents - though I'd have to add that I have only had a go of the #73 spey as a jack, not as a single blade - on the other hand the other single blade #73s - the ones wiht the skinner blades - are again easier to use (though not such a good point of comparison)
 
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rprocter said:
I think the design of the AGR merits some discussion. Ken Erickson has already alluded to this. AG has said that the purpose was to create a wide blade (spine to edge distance). What is the advantage this extra steel ? That it can be ground(primary) to a thin edge with a less steep angle ? is this degree of difference over the Case blade of any functional significance ?
What advantage and disadvantage comes with this blade's extra width(or 'depth') ?
roland
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All very good questions Roland. I notice the thickness to the AG blade is considerably thicker than the Case. I would venture a guess that this offsets being able to get a "less steep angle" on the AG. I would not care to speculate as to the advantages or disadvantages in a wider blade in this length pocket knife. I also would like to hear what others have to say about the disadvantages and advantages to this blade over the blade in the Case Sodbuster.
 
Thanks Ken. It's geometry and physics that can state how this larger blade surface area will affect cutting. Noddy says less likely to turn in hand. Maybe. I think more surface area = more drag and tendancy to bind, maybe ?
Looks like Phil Gibbs has been working with AG on these so hopefully he will post about the cutting properties expected from a wider blade.
The knife looks 'neat' and i will buy one just for that (and knowing it will be very well put together), but my curiosity wants to know if there is more than just good looks in this blade shape.
Rope knives have very deep blades so that they will stay on course when being batonned through very thick rope, so Noddy likely is correct in his "turn less" assessment.
roland
 
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Wide blades are much more clumsy to use in general, except in cooking/kitchen work, i.e: chopping/slicing. A narrower blade has less drag, and there's no comparison if you are whittling, or trying to shape something. "Turnability" is an important feature of a general pocket knife IMO.
 
TLARbb said:
Looks like a nice sturdy, well made knife, but for some reason I'm liking the Sodbuster better too. - Ed J
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Me too Ed.The build quality is obvious.But,I like the rounder grip of the Case better.And,thinner blades=better slicing.Also i like Case CV.Lastly, i love the simplicity of the Sodbuster.AG has a huge hit on his hands with these and deserves all the accolades,but they are not for me.
 
Finally received the black Rucarta versions of these, that I ordered back on 4/27. Surprisingly, the handle scales are much thicker on these, making for a beefier feel in the hand. Fit/finish & walk/talk are exactly as with the yellow Delrin models (excellent).

I'll see if I can take some pics to post (need to charge the camera batteries first).
 
Obsessed with Edges said:
Finally received the black Rucarta versions of these, that I ordered back on 4/27. Surprisingly, the handle scales are much thicker on these, making for a beefier feel in the hand. Fit/finish & walk/talk are exactly as with the yellow Delrin models (excellent).

I'll see if I can take some pics to post (need to charge the camera batteries first).
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I just got mine today as well and noticed the same thing. I kind of like how it feels in the hand though so I haven't decided whether that is a bad thing or good. :confused:
 
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