For lack of a rational argument, the weak minded try to make personal attacks based on what they read in a user profile.
Deliberately sloppy reasoning, Ratty. I'm not demeaning you for being a graphic artist. However, it is a valid observation that your profession does not qualify you to dispense advice on the benefits of "physical work". Unless you lied.
If you knew anything about Khukuris, you would know that the Sirupate is not designed for heavy use, but is a fighter.
Go tell the Himalayan Imports crew their blades aren't designed for "heavy use" (whatever
that is). I'll agree they aren't designed to withstand the abuse a Busse could tolerate.
...but that's not what you originally said! Let's quote you again.
Ratty said:
Have you ever handled a Nepalese Khukuri? that is where you start getting into heavy blades.
A Sirupati
is a Nepalese Khukri. I used it as an example precisely because it
is a Nepalese khukri that disproves your assertion that Nepalese Khukris are "heavy blades" in comparison to a roughly equal sized Busse. You made an incorrect generalization, because you don't know what you're talking about.
Pretty pointless to compare a fighter to a heavy chopper. Compare it to a fighter if you want an apt comparison. As a fighter, the Sirupate is pretty darn heavy.
As a fighting "knife" perhaps. As I said earlier, khukris are closer to being short swords than knives. The same can be said for the current Busse Battle Mistress. In terms of size, the Sirupate is bigger
and lighter than the Busse even though they're both very large chopping designs. The comparison is valid, even if you're incapable of seeing the parallel.
Your statement about ones ability to move a certain weight of blade regardless of strength is flawed. Ones empty hand can only move at a certain speed.
Nice armchair theorizing. If anything just exposed your lack of practical experience it's a gem like that. Have you ever done any real sparring, Ratty? At all?
That "empty hand" can move incredibly fast. You desperately need to get out onto the mat with a good boxer. Try blocking his jabs, some time. Then there's some martial arts stylists who move at speeds which are seemingly impossible. That "certain speed" a hand can "only" move at is much faster than your smug theories account for.
There is a point where the weight of a blade starts to slow down that speed. Blades up to a certain weight do not slow down your hand at all.
...and of course in Busse Fanboy World, no Busse knife is
ever heavy enough to do
that, least of all the one with the monster 10 inch blade, weighing one pound five ounces.
Reality is a very different place. The more weight you put in an empty hand, the slower it moves. That's physics, not theorizing. You can't avoid inertia, especially when the weight added to the hand is the equivalent of a full-sized khukri
and a full-sized knife. Get Cliff Stamp to explain to you about all the
other issues that develop like torque and centrifugal force on the hand, wrist, and arm.
If you are strong, that threshold is higher, and a heavier blade will not slow you down.
I'd love to see you try demonstrating that, sparring with a good FMA or Silat instructor. One of those thin, bony little guys.
Apparently "strong" is an abstract concept for you, just like "heavy". You just changed your address from Fanboy World to Mall Ninja World, complete with a Busse-made samurai sword.
You are the one desperately clinging to your ignorance of Busse knives.
They're very heavy for their size (especially the larger knives) because they use thick blade stock, minimal distal tapers and have full thickness, full tangs with slabs of thick Micarta. The weight adds up.
Other, even
larger, chopping designs are much lighter, making them faster. That's a fact, one that is immediately obvious the moment a person picks up a "knife" with a 10 inch blade, weighing over one pound five ounces.
Pointing out facts does not make me a fanboy.
What makes you a fanboy is your rabid desire to defend your favorite brand against every single comment you feel to be a "slight". That's fanboy behavior. So is your refusal to acknowledge the the tradeoffs inherent in your favorite brand's design. You may not believe it or even understand it, but all knife designs have to make those compromises.
I would be calling you on your BS regardless of what brand(s) you chose to denigrate.
Sure Ratty. The only time you get wound up is when you perceive an imaginary "slight" to the brand of knife in your sig.
The only BS on this thread is yours.
You make BS generalizations about "Nepalese Khukris" that are wrong.
You make BS claims about knife weight having no impact on speed.
You seriously believe you're so strong that a knife weighing close to a pound and a half won't slow you down in any way.
Also, considering that the original discussion was about throwing knives, Not fighters-
Agreed. It
was about SOG throwing knives.
But that all changed when the Busse Fan Club crashed the thread, didn't it? Anyone dares point out that Busse knives aren't dedicated throwing designs or that they're very heavy and that's an insult no Busse fanboy can leave unanswered.
the fact remains that a heavy blade at least a foot long is the best for throwing.
Now Ratty's an expert on
knife throwing, just like he is about khukris, or blade weight vs. speed.
Go tell knifemaker Harald Moeller about minimum length for an effective throwing knife. He's been making his 9" o/a
Viper III throwing knife since the 80s. He makes several throwing designs, the
largest of which is a foot long. The rest are smaller. He's also written a very good book on knife throwing and it's a favorite pastime for him.
Seems Mr. Moeller's got it all wrong. Ratty knows better.
You know
more about what the best length for a throwing knife. Just like you know that "Nepalese Khukris" (except for the ones you forgot about) are heavier than Busse Knives. You also know that a massive knife weighing over a pound five ounces has no effect on how fast the hand wielding it can move, providing you're "strong enough". You really have no idea how strong a person would have to be for that to be true.
*sigh* This would be funny if you weren't serious.
While you're right that the problem with the SOG thrower is the lettering causing stress, they don't
need to be made out of carbon steel. That's more of your armchair expertise.
Go tell Harald Moeller he's using the wrong type of steel for his throwing knives as well.
The main problem isn't the steel, it's the tempering. Perhaps with a different temper even the SOG lettering could be retained (though the SOG Fusion throwers might look better without it) .
