sold a knife on ebay, something seems off

[Srtr]

Listed one of my busse knives on ebay, it finally sold for the $10 under the asking price.

Excited to finally have gotten an offer i was willing to take i clicked accept offer without looking at any info other than the users 400 positive feedback.

sent him an invoice with a copy sent to me as well.

Ebay email i got sent about the invoice is all in chinese.

The ship to address is some business in delaware behind a usps building.


I know busse knives get chinese fake copies all the time so thats what made me start to second guess the buyer as legit even though he has 400 feedback.

started looking through his feedback and a lot of it seems like $1 items to get his score up high.


So, do i take a possible negative feedback from a possible legit buyer and cancel the transaction because i dont want to risk a $400 knife to a possible scammer who has the knife sent over to china and then says it never arrived?

 

[Wharn]

I’m always a fan of trusting my gut instinct.

 

[chambelona59]

Listed one of my busse knives on ebay, it finally sold for the $10 under the asking price.

Excited to finally have gotten an offer i was willing to take i clicked accept offer without looking at any info other than the users 400 positive feedback.

sent him an invoice with a copy sent to me as well.

Ebay email i got sent about the invoice is all in chinese.

The ship to address is some business in delaware behind a usps building.


I know busse knives get chinese fake copies all the time so that's what made me start to second guess the buyer as legit even though he has 400 feedback.

started looking through his feedback and a lot of it seems like $1 items to get his score up high.


So, do i take a possible negative feedback from a possible legit buyer and cancel the transaction because i dont want to risk a $400 knife to a possible scammer who has the knife sent over to china and then says it never arrived?

You are only responsible for the knife being shipped to the U.S. address of the buyer confirmed by either USPS or UPS or the delivery confirmation by the shipper of your choice.
The buyer is free to ship it anywhere he wants... that has nothing to do with you.
You ship to the registered buyers U.S. address.

 

[Petunia D. Feeble]

Listed one of my busse knives on ebay, it finally sold for the $10 under the asking price.

Excited to finally have gotten an offer i was willing to take i clicked accept offer without looking at any info other than the users 400 positive feedback.

sent him an invoice with a copy sent to me as well.

Ebay email i got sent about the invoice is all in chinese.

The ship to address is some business in delaware behind a usps building.


I know busse knives get chinese fake copies all the time so thats what made me start to second guess the buyer as legit even though he has 400 feedback.

started looking through his feedback and a lot of it seems like $1 items to get his score up high.


So, do i take a possible negative feedback from a possible legit buyer and cancel the transaction because i dont want to risk a $400 knife to a possible scammer who has the knife sent over to china and then says it never arrived?

You're shipping to Delaware, not China. The redirect is on them.

That said, I don't care at all about my eBay rating. I'd back out if I felt uneasy about it.

 

[SpyderPhreak]

You are only responsible for the knife being shipped to the U.S. address of the buyer confirmed by either USPS or UPS or the delivery confirmation by the shipper of your choice.

The buyer is free to ship it anywhere he wants... that has nothing to do with you.

You ship to the registered buyers U.S. address.

That's what you'd think... Not always how it goes.

Srtr , might want to browse these, could be your guy:

• https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/lin-aka-kai-zhao-issue-resolved.1429838/
• https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/psa-use-caution-selling-to-bf-buyer-lin-aka-kai-zhao.1518309/

ETA - And even if it isn't your guy, shows some of the pitfalls about someone who sounds like they might be using a freight forwarder just like in the first thread. In this case, seller beware! HTH.

 

[Srtr]

thats him.

cancelling right now.



eta: cancelled

 

[chambelona59]

That's what you'd think... Not always how it goes.

Srtr , might want to browse these, could be your guy:

• https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/lin-aka-kai-zhao-issue-resolved.1429838/
• https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/psa-use-caution-selling-to-bf-buyer-lin-aka-kai-zhao.1518309/

Power seller and also a buyer for about 20 years.
You ship to the buyers 'registered' address, once received by the buyer the buyer can ship to China, Mongolia or Timbuktu... you're not responsible if the buyer then ships to a secondary address or other country.

 

[Srtr]

Power seller and also a buyer for about 20 years.
You ship to the buyers 'registered' address, once received by the buyer the buyer can ship to China, Mongolia or Timbuktu... you're not responsible if the buyer then ships to a secondary address or other country.

i dont really care where it goes to, what i care about is them saying the item arrived broken and wanting a refund, then they get their money back and i get some cheap knockoff knife returned while the real thing is en route to some foreign country never to be seen again.

 

[hermit dave]

Ok, Ebay always backs the buyer. The buyer can claim anything is wrong the knife and return a poor copy of the knife or anything that weighs about the same. Ebay will force you to accept a return and put the funds on hold. If you back out of the transaction, you could get a neg on your feedback. If you ship it, you could get burned and pay return shipping for a brick. Ebay's unwritten policy is the buyers ALWAYS right.

 

[chambelona59]

i dont really care where it goes to, what i care about is them saying the item arrived broken and wanting a refund, then they get their money back and i get some cheap knockoff knife returned while the real thing is en route to some foreign country never to be seen again.

In the above case (links someone posted) If you can show that the item was "re-sent" buy your buyer to a secondary non registered address in another country, you are NOT responsible for anything, not responsible for a foreign postal mail system for losing or destroying anything.

There is a Japanese company which has at least 15-20 different alias's/I.D.'s on eBay, they have their registered 'ship to' address in Los Angeles, Calif. everything they buy then gets shipped to buyers in Japan reason being many U.S. sellers won't ship out of the U.S., nothing wrong or illegal about that.
You are shipping to Los Angeles, not to Japan.

 

[chambelona59]

Ok, Ebay always backs the buyer. The buyer can claim anything is wrong the knife and return a poor copy of the knife or anything that weighs about the same. Ebay will force you to accept a return and put the funds on hold. If you back out of the transaction, you could get a neg on your feedback. If you ship it, you could get burned and pay return shipping for a brick. Ebay's unwritten policy is the buyers ALWAYS right.

Not if the buyer ships the item to a SECONDARY NON REGISTERED address, the item can be lost, stolen or in 1,000 pieces... when it arrives to the SECONDARY NON REGISTERED address, seller has no liability.
Seller only has liability/responsibility to ship to the registered/default address of the buyer, once the buyer ships to someone/somewhere else... seller has no responsibility.
Call eBay and you can easily confirm what I'm telling you.

 

[Srtr]

Not if the buyer ships the item to a SECONDARY NON REGISTERED address, the item can be lost, stolen or in 1,000 pieces... when it arrives to the SECONDARY NON REGISTERED address, seller has no liability.
Seller only has liability/responsibility to ship to the registered/default address of the buyer, once the buyer ships to someone/somewhere else... seller has no responsibility.
Call eBay and you can easily confirm what I'm telling you.

i believe you on that but whats to stop the buyer from saying it arrived damaged, get a refund then sending you a cheapass clone of your knife or something similar worth nothing while the real thing is headed off to china

 

[SpyderPhreak]

thats him.

cancelling right now.



eta: cancelled

Wow, really? What are the odds? Sounded familiar... So now he's using a different freight forwarder, in a different state. I have to wonder if he has several different ones.

That's one reason I started the second thread. The guy just throws too many red flags. I sincerely doubt he's selling to collectors over there.

Power seller and also a buyer for about 20 years.
You ship to the buyers 'registered' address, once received by the buyer the buyer can ship to China, Mongolia or Timbuktu... you're not responsible if the buyer then ships to a secondary address or other country.

Yes, in theory. But in practice, not necessarily. Browse at least that first thread I linked.

i dont really care where it goes to, what i care about is them saying the item arrived broken and wanting a refund, then they get their money back and i get some cheap knockoff knife returned while the real thing is en route to some foreign country never to be seen again.

Yes, only one of the possible problems that could occur. I personally think you made the right choice.

Ok, Ebay always backs the buyer. The buyer can claim anything is wrong the knife and return a poor copy of the knife or anything that weighs about the same. Ebay will force you to accept a return and put the funds on hold. If you back out of the transaction, you could get a neg on your feedback. If you ship it, you could get burned and pay return shipping for a brick. Ebay's unwritten policy is the buyers ALWAYS right.

And that's one reason why this could have ended in a nightmare.

Call eBay and you can easily confirm what I'm telling you.

Plenty of evidence can be found that what eBay and PayPal say is not necessarily what they do. Youz rolls the dice and youz takes your chances.

 

[chambelona59]

i believe you on that but whats to stop the buyer from saying it arrived damaged, get a refund then sending you a cheapass clone of your knife or something similar worth nothing while the real thing is headed off to china

When shipping a high/er priced item:
1- you ALWAYS ship "insured" for exactly what it sold for and you should also require a "received by"signature.
2- you take a (dated) photo of it in all the bubble wrap, then a second photo of it boxed with the buyers name and "registered" address visible.
NEVER EVER ship to a unregistered address.

 

[SpyderPhreak]

When shipping a high/er priced item:
1- you ALWAYS ship "insured" for exactly what it sold for and you should also require a "received by"signature.
2- you take a (dated) photo of it in all the bubble wrap, then a second photo of it boxed with the buyers name and "registered" address visible.
NEVER EVER ship to a unregistered address.

You can do everything under the sun to CYA. The point is, you're putting yourself at a MUCH higher risk selling to these freight forwarders. YMMV and all that.

 

[chambelona59]

Wow, really? What are the odds? Sounded familiar... So now he's using a different freight forwarder, in a different state. I have to wonder if he has several different ones.

That's one reason I started the second thread. The guy just throws too many red flags. I sincerely doubt he's selling to collectors over there.



Yes, in theory. But in practice, not necessarily. Browse at least that first thread I linked.



Yes, only one of the possible problems that could occur. I personally think you made the right choice.



And that's one reason why this could have ended in a nightmare.



Plenty of evidence can be found that what eBay and PayPal say is not necessarily what they do. Youz rolls the dice and youz takes your chances.

"And that's one reason why this could have ended in a nightmare."

Wrong... no "dice rolling"... buyers are not responsible if a buyer sends the purchased item to someone else, some other address than you one you shipped to.
A lot of people really have no idea how things work on eBay... this thread is a "what if" scenario of the buyer sending to/shipping to someone else/somewhere else after the buyer receives it with a delivery confirmation.

 

[chambelona59]

You can do everything under the sun to CYA. The point is, you're putting yourself at a MUCH higher risk selling to these freight forwarders. YMMV and all that.

"you're putting yourself at a MUCH higher risk selling to these freight forwarders."

Wrong... no "higher risk" if buyer then hands the item off to a "freight forwarders".... sellers responsibility ENDS once the original buyer receives the item.

 

[SpyderPhreak]

"And that's one reason why this could have ended in a nightmare."

Wrong... no "dice rolling"... buyers are not responsible if a buyer sends the purchased item to someone else, some other address than you one you shipped to.
A lot of people really have no idea how things work on eBay... this thread is a "what if" scenario of the buyer sending to/shipping to someone else/somewhere else after the buyer receives it with a delivery confirmation.

You seem to be an idealist. Just go do some reading, as previously recommended. The links are right there. In practice, you are wrong, unfortunately. No amount of yelling is going to change that.

"you're putting yourself at a MUCH higher risk selling to these freight forwarders."

Wrong... no "higher risk" if buyer then hands the item off to a "freight forwarders".... sellers responsibility ENDS once the original buyer receives the item.

It's too bad that's not how it always turns out in reality.

 

[chambelona59]

You seem to be an idealist. Just go do some reading, as previously recommended. The links are right there. In practice, you are wrong, unfortunately. No amount of yelling is going to change that.

Not an "Idealist", I simply understand how eBay works, I don't go by peoples "Blade Forum" links, I go by over 20 years experience as both a seller and a buyer on eBay.... uninformed sellers and buyers usually get burned/ripped off because they don't really understand how the system works... I see it a lot.
Again, one simple call to the eBay "Trust And Safety" department will confirm just what I said about the sellers responsibility ending one the item is received buy the 'original' buyer at the 'original registered' address.

 

[SpyderPhreak]

I don't go by peoples "Blade Forum" links, I go by over 20 years experience as both a seller and a buyer on eBay.... sellers and buyers usually get burned/ripped off because they don't really understand how the system works.

Sounds good dude, good luck with that.

Just trying to look out for you, take it or leave it. You're just one person, and sounds like you've been pretty lucky. Plenty of other folks have been burned. I've been on there for 19 years myself, and I rarely sell there anymore for the reasons outlined above. And it's only getting worse; WAY too many folks looking to scam on there these days. It only takes getting burned once.