Soldering Critique

A little thick, but perfectly acceptable in my opinion.

How did Loveless use a milling machine to clean up a solder joint?
 
Thanks for the input Bill, I appreciate it. And I have no idea how Loveless used a mill for that.

Sam :thumbup:
 
That solder joint is great. Yeah you could whittle it down to be smaller
but thats totally up to you. What I'm saying is it does'nt need improvment.
Nice work.
Ken.

Here is what I think too. I've seen guys with larger radius solder joints and guys who pride themselves in you having to squint to see the joint. Yours looks professionally finished.

I also think your comments on the quality aspect are right on. Hobbyists get away with perfectionist tendancies, but business people set a standard and then try to continually evolve it by getting more and more efficient and competant with the tools.
 
Well I watched this video almost three years ago, And I would have bet my last dollar that Mr Loveless cleaned up the face of the bolster with the mill but it turns out he was squaring up the back to receive the handles, he doesn't say anything more about the solder on the face, maybe because he buff's everything to a mirror finish that cleans the excess off

It took me a while but I found the video and uploaded these two clips enjoy

[video=youtube;BoP49dwa1Hg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoP49dwa1Hg&feature=youtu.be[/video]

[video=youtube;pR8Xu99JC_w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR8Xu99JC_w[/video]
 
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Great vids John. Thank you. Obviously he didn't care if he made a mess to cleanup. Jess
 
He only did that at the rear of the guard so the handle would sit perfectly. He did not do that in the front of the guard.
 
He only did that at the rear of the guard so the handle would sit perfectly. He did not do that in the front of the guard.

Not to be snippy but I kinda said that in my post, The old memory isnt what it use to be ;0)
 
Here is what I think too. I've seen guys with larger radius solder joints and guys who pride themselves in you having to squint to see the joint. Yours looks professionally finished.

I also think your comments on the quality aspect are right on. Hobbyists get away with perfectionist tendancies, but business people set a standard and then try to continually evolve it by getting more and more efficient and competant with the tools.

Thank you. That is one of the perspectives I was after. I will set myself some parameters on this, and then work to keep improving the finished product by getting more efficient and skilled with what I have. I appreciate the input.

Sam :thumbup:
 
Sam, thanks for making this a great thread!

I appreciate your good natured candor. :)

Oh, the soldering is pretty good too. :p

Actually it looks very nice. I haven't been playing this game very long, and honestly didn't realize how large a bead one could make. I thought "invisible" was the goal, but you've put it in a totally different light.

May I ask how you produced such a nice even bead?

Is that how the bead comes out, or do you clean it up somehow?

Details man! :D

(please, of course ;))
 
Grizz,

Thank you, on all accounts. These soldering threads have a tendency to get interesting all on their own. As far as my candor, I just like public shame. I’ve found it’s more fun than private shame, lol.

When it comes to soldering, I’ll be honest, I don’t know much myself. I’ve only been making knives for 8 months, so take all this with a grain of salt, but I’ll be glad to share what I think I know. You bring up an interesting point about bead size. I’ve seen more Randall’s than anything else, and I always thought the bead was supposed to be a little more prominent. Personally, I much prefer that to a hairline bead, as it makes the knife look a little more robust, but that’s just me.

As far as actually soldering, I do it two different ways, depending on what type of knife I’m doing. If it’s a regular style knife (as opposed to hollow handle), I like to fit the guard, and put the knife in a vise, tip up. Then I apply a very thin line of flux to the top of the guard at the joint. I use one of those squeeze bottles with a thin metal tube on it. I heat from the bottom with a propane torch (I would use an acetylene with a very fine tip if I had one). When the flux starts bubbling, I apply solder from the bottom, and as the heat transfers up the blade, it draws the solder in a rather thin bead up through the guard, as others mentioned earlier. If it’s slow coming up, it can be coaxed lightly with a torch on the top of the guard.

If it’s a hollow handle knife, since I can’t apply heat from the bottom, I heat the handle tube and guard till the flux is almost ready, then put the heat directly on the joint. Then I apply the solder on the top of the guard at the joint. Either way, I don’t slather the solder on there. I touch it to the work a couple of times, and then draw it around with the torch. Less solder applied leaves less to be cleaned off later.

If I was careful with the flux, there’s very little to clean up. I take a brass rod, 3/16” and 1/8”, put a chisel edge on it with the grinder, and it will slice away any excess in ribbons. If the rod is really sharp and I’m careful, that’s it. If it skates on the solder a little, I tape the surfaces and hit it with some 320 to clean up the gouges in the solder, sharpen the brass rod properly this time, and slice away one last ribbon. This will leave the solder just as shiny as if it was buffed, without leaving a scratch pattern on the blade.

I hope that’s helpful to you or someone else. Like I said, I’m pretty new to this, so take all that with a grain of salt. Thank you again,

Sam :thumbup:
 
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Thanks, I really enjoyed that video.
It's interesting how sometimes you can make a big mess and it doesn't matter, it all gets cleaned up later. I've been fixated on getting that solder joint to flow out just right while it's hot, but this is an interesting approach.
That happens a lot in blacksmithing- so many times where the rough forging needs to be straight but doesn't need to be that close.
 
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