Someone still buys the Rambo knives !!!

Fuck yeah!!! And since it's the internet: I'd have blocked his knife attack and ripped the knife it out of his hands with my teeth alone!!!


Some of you need a reality check, badly. When someone starts butchering a man in front of you, all you'll do is freeze at best or shit your pants at worst, especially when there is no room and you didn't expect anything like this ever to happen anywhere near you.
A gun would make a difference, but hand to hand against a murderer who already spilled blood? You gotta be kiddin...

I know your reactions here are just emotional - so is mine. It's just not fair to talk big when you weren't there, while those who were still have to deal with this horror. And they did everything they really could.
 
DocArnie said:
Fuck yeah!!! And since it's the internet: I'd have blocked his knife attack and ripped the knife it out of his hands with my teeth alone!!!


Some of you need a reality check, badly. When someone starts butchering a man in front of you, all you'll do is freeze at best or shit your pants at worst, especially when there is no room and you didn't expect anything like this ever to happen anywhere near you.
A gun would make a difference, but hand to hand against a murderer who already spilled blood? You gotta be kiddin...

I know your reactions here are just emotional - so is mine. It's just not fair to talk big when you weren't there, while those who were still have to deal with this horror. And they did everything they really could.
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Speak for yourself dude. Some of us here get paid to jump in and stomp the motherfuckers.
 
Brian Jones said:
For those who may think Gene is being an internet tough guy, he's not.

Having met him and looked him in the eye, he is a guy who does what he says, and I knew when I met him that this is a dude I would want having my six anyday.

There's no doubt in my mind he'd do what he said.

~B.
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Agreed
 
Brian Jones said:
Speak for yourself dude. Some of us here get paid to jump in and stomp the motherfuckers.
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All I'm saying is - we weren't there and it's not fair to judge those who were there like this on the internet, where everyone can write what he wants without backing it up.
The victim was practically already dead when the rest of the bus realized what happened, and they managed to escape without any more victims while trapping the murderer inside, keeping him at bay.
 
orrey45 said:
You won't see me riding the bus any time soon.
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It could have been a hockey game, a concert, etc...It's one of those oddball events that could happen anywhere. It looks like CBC is already trying to make a case for tighter bus security even though this is a fluke.

This talk about internet tough guys brings up a good point...
Why do we hear about shooting sprees and bank robberies and not criminals stopped by bystanders ? Maybe this has something to do with it:
CBC said:
Witnesses initially described the attacker as a hulking man over six feet tall who appeared to weigh more than 200 pounds — but in court on Friday, Li appeared to be about five-foot-eight or -nine, with a stocky build.
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It's from this follow up piece that also mentions that the suspect delivered newspapers before disappearing and turning up on a bus with a knife - suggests a mental illness issue perhaps.

As for "getting paid to stomp..." Maybe look at why you chose that path ? Many more people have some degree of first aid training than LEO training, and what's the first rule? (everyone now!)
"Don't become another casualty"
If someone's just reacting to the situation without the presence of mind to make conscious decisions, they can't be faulted for being weak, just inexperienced. That crisis management training comes in handy...but only for those who have it. Civvies are civvies, plain and simple.

My 'inner tough guy' came out one night (on a bus no less) when a crackhead was thumping on his old lady. Some tough guy...I damned near puked when it was over.

I'm all for 'an eye for an eye', but let's just make sure that the eye can still be transplanted so it actually has some value.
"He who sets out on a journey of revenge should first dig two graves"
 
The way I see it....guy is sitting down on a bus...he is already disadvantaged. Stand in the aisle next to him take a piece of luggage or other large object and smash maniac...repeat as desired.

Sure most people would freak and bail out. But some people see red when this kind of thing happens and take action.
 
jbombelli said:
As far as fighting back? The poor guy was asleep. He woke up to find himself being stabbed repeatedly. He was basically murdered in his sleep. Kind of hard to fight back when, by the time you're awake and conscious, you've probably been stabbed several times severely, and you're dying.

If I had been there, I would have killed the guy, or died myself, trying.
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Turns out he was passably awake has sent a text to his Girlfriend 10 min before, there are also indications he started to eat his victim.

I do agree I would like to think I would jump and at least try to stop the guy, but the amount that could have been done is minimal, but still I would jump on him.
 
Nobody intervened because that is what the public is conditioned to do. This is what made the 9/11 attacks possible.
 
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DocArnie said:
Fuck yeah!!! And since it's the internet: I'd have blocked his knife attack and ripped the knife it out of his hands with my teeth alone!!!


Some of you need a reality check, badly. When someone starts butchering a man in front of you, all you'll do is freeze at best or shit your pants at worst, especially when there is no room and you didn't expect anything like this ever to happen anywhere near you.
A gun would make a difference, but hand to hand against a murderer who already spilled blood? You gotta be kiddin...

I know your reactions here are just emotional - so is mine. It's just not fair to talk big when you weren't there, while those who were still have to deal with this horror. And they did everything they really could.
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You're incorrect in your assertion that I need a reality check, and that the best I would do is freeze or shit my pants. I already know better.

Maybe freezing, running away, and/or shitting your pants is the best you can do, but it's not the best some of the others on this forum can do. We already know better.
 
As people on a survival forum on the Internet most of you seem very brave.
I have to say that the people on the buss seems to know a lot more about real world survival then the brave men at this forum.
I'd had pushed the old lady, who was standing between us and the door, out of the way to get my wife and kid out of there. I would feel ashamed and weak for a very long time after that and probably wake up screaming and/or crying my eyes out every night even longer.
But my wife would still have a husband and my kid still have a father.
 
I understand that there are some of us that aren't mentally prepared to run toward the danger and some of us that would freeze up. But I also understand that there are those of us who have conditioned themselves to act. There is nothing wrong with being the person who chooses flight over fight, its just how you are programmed mentally; it makes you no less of a man to run away.

Now I know for a fact that I would have given my last breath doing anything I could do to stop that guy. There is no way I could ever sleep at night if I ran out on someone like that, but that's just me, others of you may feel differently and that is fine too.
 
Hawkings said:
I'd had pushed the old lady, who was standing between us and the door, out of the way to get my wife and kid out of there. I would feel ashamed and weak for a very long time after that and probably wake up screaming and/or crying my eyes out every night even longer.
But my wife would still have a husband and my kid still have a father.
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And this is right action on your part and not unreasonable. Protecting your family is priority one. As far as pushing down the old lady, no, but hey, everyone is entitled to their choices and we might not realize what we're doing in the effort to extract a our loved ones.

Its the guys who try to run over your wife and kids to save their own hides out of panic that I disrespect. How do you know you won't be the one running over your own wife and kids to save yourself?

We can only know what our reaction will be if we experienced a violent crisis before...Theorizing is useless. But it's not a bad exercise to think about this kind of stuff if you haven't experienced it...

But, I understand taking the word of people you don't know on the internet with a grain of salt...unfortunately, most are chairborne rangers.
 
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another reason to have something sharp discretely available . dont know about the flee vs fight thing, but if one has a tool available the options expand, but then again it is canada maybe they need to expand their firearms prohibition/ registration to include all manner of sharp items like nail files and cuticle scissors, that most likely would have prevented this type of tragedy. oh the horror, if only we had a law to prevent this type of thing!!!!!!




alex
 
Very few will ever fight, most will flee...it's sad but it's true:mad:. There's no way on God's green earth that I could ever standby with something like that going on and do nothing, but I do agree that your family takes priority over all else. I truly hope there are more men and women out there that when confronted with a situation as this, will take a stand. I took an oath, have some training and even fired at, but at the end of the day the only person you have to face is the one in the mirror looking back at you.

ROCK6
 
gunknifenut said:
Armed? I agree with the 2nd and all, but hell, I have 2 arms, with cannon balls attached...I would have knocked him out and preceeded to punch him until there was a hole in place of a head. I cant stand buy and watch someone get murdered...I just couldnt do it..and for sure if the guy had a blade, not a gun. Come on, somebody else here has to be able to say that they would have jumped on the guy...I know I would have. Its a really sad state of affairs that we live in a world were the good do nothing.
I know that this is a bit far fetched for this forum..but barring a tactical dispute as to the best measure or technique...how prepared are you to dish out violence if the need arises?? Just curious, no pressure. I believe that it could and sometimes is directly related to survival. violence is "the final arbiter" afterall.
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I have never had a problem with meeting violence with violence. I have never been called a hero or anything very complimentary for it, but generally it was done in defense of others. I am not so proud of being known as a very mean and violent young man, but as I've grown older I have mellowed. That being said, in this situation of someone being attacked in my presence, the attacker would promptly have no means to do anything but lay and bleed. How do I know? I've been in too many similar situations. I am ashamed to admit I am of the same species as those observers.:thumbdn:
 
I would not want to be near me..if someone behaves poorly around my kids...I might loose my hard earned cool, for something SAID...never mind something done. I think that violence like this is reason for deadly action. PERIOD. IF this was taking place near my family..I would act without thought..by instinct alone I would kill the bad guy...he is violent near my child..and must die.
I realise that many out there would doubt anyone that says they could or would do something...ofcourse you doubt! I totally understand your reasoning here...but I have also been in some pretty violent encounters in my life..I have dealt with some pretty heavy emotional stuff..I have seen the bad side of life. I know there are crazy people out there, and I also know that there are tough guys that would help out there...I am not only one of them...I know alot of them, some that make me look tiny and quiet.
I am only sorry for this poor young man..that none of them where with him on that bus.
 
It took me a long time and a lot of work to learn to turn the intensity and aggressiveness in me off, and even learn to hide it. I prefer people underestimate me and think I'm a gooball, therefore nothing to worry about. When the switch gets turned on out of necessity, the sudden change scares people more than anything because it's such an unexpected shock.

The advantage of surprise works superbly. It allows me to get in very close before the other guy realizes my intention.
 
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Hawkings said:
As people on a survival forum on the Internet most of you seem very brave.
I have to say that the people on the buss seems to know a lot more about real world survival then the brave men at this forum.
I'd had pushed the old lady, who was standing between us and the door, out of the way to get my wife and kid out of there. I would feel ashamed and weak for a very long time after that and probably wake up screaming and/or crying my eyes out every night even longer.
But my wife would still have a husband and my kid still have a father.
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And if your wife and kid were on the bus without you and being attacked, you would expect every other passenger to act like you would and run past them and save themselves? I have a real difficulty understanding this thinking. I suppose my fight instinct is stronger than flight. Maybe it's just how you are wired. Maybe that decision is easier for me because I'm usually armed with a pistol and always a knife.
Every situation is different and how one would react would depend on their awareness prior to and during the event and their position to the attacker (behind him would be great). I would react much differently if I was awake and seated behind the event rather than asleep in the front row.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
-Edmund Burke
(and even ants understand this!)

-Brian
 
racegunner said:
I suppose my fight instinct is stronger than flight. Maybe it's just how you are wired.
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Well most of us find that out when the time comes. Some people who never considered themselves brave can become lifesafers, and some people who always thought "I wish I'd been there to make a difference" find out who they really are. It depends on the situation and the circumstances.
So pardon me if I don't believe you 100% - after all you're "just another internet guy" to me until I know you better.

racegunner said:
Maybe that decision is easier for me because I'm usually armed with a pistol and always a knife.
Every situation is different and how one would react would depend on their awareness prior to and during the event and their position to the attacker (behind him would be great). I would react much differently if I was awake and seated behind the event rather than asleep in the front row.
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Now that's making alot more sense to me than what you previously wrote.


BTW, there is another thread about this subject in prac tac with a few interesting links and facts(??).


Sorry if I was being rude to some of you. It's pretty insane stuff we're talking about and the facts aren't even all out yet, so pardon me if I don't support the disrespectful attitude towards the passengers of the bus at the moment.
 
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