Someone still buys the Rambo knives !!!

We can argue this all we want. If you feel irked or offended by someone else's post that implies or says outright that you'd fold like cards in this situation, then that's for self-examination.

Either you know what you'll do or you don't in this kind of situation. Either you've dealt with it before successfully or you haven't.

The discussion here has no bearing on it, really. So let's not get pissed at each other. I get pissed at the bad guys and nut jobs. And yes, I was pissed off reading what this guy did.
 
Thanks for the links Brian. Seems we are not the only ones that think someone should have acted.
 
You know, I've now read various thoughts about all of this on a couple of different local forums and I have yet to see any significant discussions on the bus driver who disabled the bus, so here goes: something as simple as unplugging the fuel pump prevented this guy from disappearing forever.

Not saying that's specifically what he did, but given the situation and the my knowledge of diesel pushers, that's what I like to think I would have done: minimal risk, maximum gain.
 
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Or he could have just took the keys.
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The attacker ran at them, Caton said, and they ran out of the bus, holding the door shut as he tried to slash at the trio. When the attacker tried to drive the bus away, the driver disabled the vehicle, Caton said.
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Again, from this story.

The way I read that, the driver was off the bus...
 
As a person who has experienced a similiar sudden bad situation, I thought I'd chime in.
Most folks don't know how they will react until it happens. Danger can bring any number of actions from us. It all depends on the disposition of each individual involved... their respective propensities, current moods, the time of day or night, the surroundings, evironment, etc. The average person with zero tactical training is most likely not capable of making a split second decision UNLESS he sees himself the immediate target of such an attack.

It's really unfair to speculate about and judge people who actually were in that bus witnessing this tragedy.

Prayers for all involved.
 
Loon said:
As a person who has experienced a similiar sudden bad situation, I thought I'd chime in.
Most folks don't know how they will react until it happens. Danger can bring any number of actions from us. It all depends on the disposition of each individual involved... their respective propensities, current moods, the time of day or night, the surroundings, evironment, etc. The average person with zero tactical training is most likely not capable of making a split second decision UNLESS he sees himself the immediate target of such an attack.

It's really unfair to speculate about and judge people who actually were in that bus witnessing this tragedy.

Prayers for all involved.
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best post on the subject. Thank you. :thumbup:
 
Loon said:
As a person who has experienced a similiar sudden bad situation, I thought I'd chime in.
Most folks don't know how they will react until it happens. Danger can bring any number of actions from us. It all depends on the disposition of each individual involved... their respective propensities, current moods, the time of day or night, the surroundings, evironment, etc. The average person with zero tactical training is most likely not capable of making a split second decision UNLESS he sees himself the immediate target of such an attack.

It's really unfair to speculate about and judge people who actually were in that bus witnessing this tragedy.

Prayers for all involved.
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:thumbup: Thank you. Most eloquent.
 
DocArnie said:
All I'm saying is - we weren't there and it's not fair to judge those who were there like this on the internet, where everyone can write what he wants without backing it up.
The victim was practically already dead when the rest of the bus realized what happened, and they managed to escape without any more victims while trapping the murderer inside, keeping him at bay.
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Here's the thing, doc. Some of us are talking from experience, some of us, like ROCK6, are trained to not stand by and watch bad sh*t happen. I have broken up some pretty bad beatings. A guy with a knife is no deadlier than 3 gangbangers going to town on some poor guy and I've jumped in to stop that before. It's all a mindset. Barring the 'prac-tac' bs that you will here in other sub-forums, some of us are perfectly willing to put our lives on the line to save another whether you are or not...

I have to agree with GKN, some of us have this reaction to people doing bad things around those we love. If this was to happen, and I had a family on board, I would not run, I would tell them to get the F*CK off the bus and I would stay on and do my part to ensure that the threat was no longer a threat but a mash of severly damaged flesh. I would also find the MF who knocked the old lady down and give him a good (hopefully only verbal) lashing for that cowardly BS.

And, much like Brian and mymindisamob, some of us have the appearance of being all calm and hapy-go-lucky on the surface, but it is a very well-placed facade hiding what can be a very violent reaction.

It is fine to empathize with the passengers. However, I see their actions as totally cowardly and I would not have stood by and watched that. I could not. I have been trained to do otherwise. For more information on how people get the mindset to fight instead of flee, read just about anything by LTCOL David Grossman, more specifically On Killing or On Combat. He spends a good portion of one of the two [maybe both, I haven't read either in a few years] talking about the differences between 'sheep' (the passengers) 'wolves' (the crazy <insert expletives here> and 'sheepdogs' (the guys you see telling you that we would have reacted, also the military, fire fighters, EMT's, LEO's, etc, etc etc.)

PeACE
Dougo
 
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man some of you have really hrad feelings on this. and i am glad we have people here who would be willing to help. i myself dont think bad about the people who ran. most people would. they probably have kids and a family and jsut arent trained to handle situations like that. I can say, persoanlly, that i have no clue what i would have done. I have never been in that position before. i would like to think that if i was close enough and with my knife that i would have tried to help, sadly though i cant say for sure. eitehr way, my prayers go out the the vicitms family and all who may have psychological scarring from the things thay have seen.
 
crb...I don't necessarily harbor any ill feelings toward the fleeing passengers. I still see it as cowardly. I also wonder how many people were on the bus. I say this because I find it hard to believe that an entire transit bus could be full and not one person said 'Hey, there's 40 of us here, he might get a coupld of decent cuts on us, but we can take him out.'

That is just the way, I KNOW I would have reacted. Like I mentioned in my previous post, it's all in how we are wired and/or trained.

My prayers definitely go out to the victim's family, the passengers/witnesses and the family of the sicko on board. To raise something like that, they need as many prayers as one can muster.

PeACE
Dougo
 
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