someone's trying to copy Jerry

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Ron M

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Check out the Wilderness & Survival Skills Forum, here at bladeforum.com. Jeff Randell posted a thread on a "New heavy duty knife Maker". Very similar profiles and warranty to Busse, and there made in Ohio.

I will stick with Jerry and good old INFI any day. :D
 
At least one of the links on the other thread doesn't work.
I checked out their site (www.fehrmanknives.com) and I can't find any pictures.
I'd like to give someone starting out the benefit of the doubt, but their logo looks a lot like Jerry's, only facing the other way.
Jerry has a lot of really good ideas in his knives: the Ergo handles, talon holes, even blade shapes; some of which seem like common sense - once you've seen and tried them... Maybe they are just starting out by producing "similar: knives to the best they've found. As long as they acknowledge the similarity...
If they really want a true test of their knives ability to survive anything, they should send one of their big ones (aptly named Final Judgement) to Cliff Stamp :eek: , and have him test it against the Battle Mistress. [Even the naming scheme is "similar"]...:confused:
 
I will wait to see what Jerry has to say, but...

They do look awfully similar. There is plenty of room for competition so I don't think anyone needs to step on someone else's design work. I hope this doesn't become ugly...:(

-sb
 
Well, the one knife pictured looks enough like a Busse to fool me. Of course, several people can come up with the same basic design independently, but....... this looks like a blatant and shameless copy to me.

Jerry's blade design is nothing that hasn't been done before. There's only so many ways a piece of steel can be shaped into a usable knife. I believe that nitrogen has been used in steel before, but INFI may be the first time it has been used to make a successful blade. I don't know about the two holes for attaching a knuckle guard. If it is something new, it should have been registered as a trade mark. It's the total package that makes a Busse knife special. Anyone can copy a Busse, but it won't be a Busse. (IMHO of course)
 
Do I smell "copyright infringment" and "lawsuit":rolleyes:
I think so.



Often imitated never duplicated!!!
 
I do love the Busse knives but give the guy a chance at least it is not the cheap overseas crap like the Strider Rip-offs that are going around, & they are not made out of INFI so the Busse's still have a place, this is just another knife maker tring to make a buck. If he is blatently ripping Jerry off then that is one thing, but if he is taking a much respected knife makers philosifies? & following them then that is another.He is in the same price range so I think it will not hurt either the collector value or Busse sells.Just my 2 cents I say give him a chance & see what happens. At least he isn't bad mouthing him like some "Doctor" we know
 
Since no one will sell me a Mean Street and I can't find one anywhere, if the Peace maker he sells is a close copy I will probably pick one up, and I'm guessing it will be close, but hey like someone said earlier it may look like a Busse but it aint no Busse! :D
 
hmmm, they do look similar, no matter what anybody says..even the creator..from the slight upswing/pinch of the thumb ramp and ergo of the handle...

"It sure does LOOK like a busse, but she aint no busse lads...."

Theres INFI and theres INFI....no other choice to be had for the same $ as far as I am concerned....you guys taught me that, remember? And then the desert proved it for me :D .

this will be interesting...
 
David is right. The guy should have a chance to make a living and there are a lot of knifemakers who copy others work. There are many knives that look like Randalls, Loveless, Scagel and even someone who is making copies of Ed Fowlers design. The big difference is that most of them state that they are using another knifemakers design.

There is something about this that rubs me the wrong way, but I won't say what it is for fear of insulting a number of people.
 
yes, he should have a chance and get one too....we are protective of our INFI though i guess.

after UFFDA's comments, I feel the same...there is something about it that I am not happy with, but just can not pinpoint it....hell, they may be fine knives and not having handled one (and may never have a chance either), can not really comment. But my point is, they do look similar....thats that.
 
Most of the changes appear to be very well thought out, but that's what they are changes to an existing design.
The tip is interesting, and I like what they did with the guard, choil, and the E-handles, except they (handles) look too wide. Should have kept the tubular fasteners, though.
I'm sure the mystery steel with a 3-day heat treat, the general shape, the sizes offered, silly names, and the logo are all sheer coincidence:rolleyes:
Already, there's a claim that these are in-house designs. Please!
That's just too corny for me to take seriously. Especially the steel. You don't pull a new steel (new to me, anybody heard of this stuff?) and a proprietary heat treat out of your rear.
Some good ideas, but they sure aren't very original. I can't see people paying Busse prices for no-name knives with unproven performance.
Who cares about them making these Busse-esque knives? They're just knives. Ergo handles, drop point blades, crinkle finishes...none of this stuff is new or original. Some people think Strider should sue anyone that makes a tanto with a bead blast finish. 'Course some people are retarded, too.
Making them is one thing. Saying they're a new design is another.
LMAO, first thing that came to mind when I saw them was the Smith&Wesson Sigma. 'nuff said.
Still, I'd like to try one:)
 
Imitation may be a form of flattery, but that notion should have its limits.
 
There is no denying that similarities do exist between the knives. The thing that is the most troubling though is the dual talon holes. As far as the steel goes, this is just a wild assed guess, but they call it F-3V. I wouldn't be to surprised to find that this is CPM3V with an F thrown in front because of the company name. If this is the case, with a good heat treat you are looking at a blade with very good potential. For those of you who have never used a really good blade in CPM3V, the stuff can definitely take all you can give it and then some. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
 
It does look suspicious, but I'll wait and see. Keep in mind that many people that Ed Fowler instructed now make knives that look an awful lot like his. I take that as flattery, although the situation here might be different. We'll see...
 
I'm kind of surprised how Jeff Randall jumped on the bandwagon, considering how he says he likes Busses, but didn't notice the similarities in these upstarts.

The blade profiles, the familiarity of the knife names, a small company in Ohio. What's next? A line of "basics", or "swamp critters"?

At least it should be better than those Chinese Strider ripoffs.
 
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