someone's trying to copy Jerry

Before we start stacking up the firewood we need to see some of these knives side by side with Busses. I asked Eric Ferhman about his inspirations and he mentioned (among others) TOPS. Well I surfed on over to TOPS, and I believe him. Look at some of the TOPS designs and you can see the inspiration. Yes, they do look similar to Busses and many others. He does respond to posts so go see what Eric has to say himself. He does not seem to be, IMO, trying to slip some Busse knock-offs into the market. Again, my opinion.
I hope we can keep this on the level of honest competion until proven otherwise. I wonder what Jerry thinks??

-SB
 
Originally posted by DonL
I'm kind of surprised how Jeff Randall jumped on the bandwagon, considering how he says he likes Busses, but didn't notice the similarities in these upstarts.
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Is that meant to imply if someone likes Busse they can't like anyone else? How childish.

Jeff
 
I agree.

I was not aware that if you liked one brand of something, you were forbidden to try different brands!

I have a VERY strong brand loyalty to products that perform as I think they should. But how would I know what was truly the best brand if I didn't try others?

To get a bit more specific, look at TOPS, Jerry Hossum, and a few others I can't think of right now. They all have similarities to Busse...because you just can't argue with what works.
 
I'm a fan of anyone who takes pride in their work. I may or may not like a particular model for what we do but the fact still remains that good work is good work and not liking someone else because their work may have similiar features is childish behavior at best. It reminds me of school kids saying "you can't be my friend if you're a friend of _________"

I hope I just misunderstood the intent of DonL's post.

As far as the Fehrman knives, from the photos I see a lot of different knives in his models. Busse and TOPS come to mind for sure. So what. The bottom line is Fehrman will never hurt Busse or TOPS sales, so why the attitude?

Busse is a solid name in the knife world. The quality, toughness, warranty, etc. are all in place, so there's no reason for anyone to get their shorts wadded up over a man trying to get in this business with what appears to be a quality product.

Jerry has NOT commented negatively on this and I think that shows integrity. It seems the only ones upset (I'm guessing) are those who have nothing to do with the ultimate manufacture or operations of Busse Combat Knives. I believe Jerry Busse's knives speak for themselves without the need of a cheering section who believe the world will fall in if someone else makes a knife with Busse similarities.

Competition of any size is always good for business and even better for the consumer.
 
Now that is why Jeff Randall ROCKS!!!!:D
 
Eric sure does take the time to respond to the threads. Thats an excellent sign!

Jeff/sharpbits, I don't think this will ever turn into a 'bash' or any wood will ever get thrown to the fire...The people discussing these new knives are all locals to BF and there will always be specualation when a new maker comes on the scene....I do not see any of the trouble makers appear as yet.

Your right about TOPS...I never really went to their site and had a look until know...

I am sure everybody can steer above the level on this one. I can not see the tip grind on Erics knives, my monitor sux. What shape is the grind?

It would be interesting to learn more about the steel.
 
Jeff,
Glad to see you stop by the Busse Forum. It is sure nice to hear your perspective. I wish you'd join us more often. :D:D

I have to agree with you regarding competition being good. However, it is too bad no one competes with Busse where it really matters and that's in the performance.
 
These knives definately received thier inspiration from Busse, there is no question. However there are some slight modifications. They look pretty solid in the pictures. It is a law of economics that increased competition benefits the consumer.
 
I do like the pics of the knife on the web site, looks very wide like the old Busses' with the straight handle. He emailed me a pic of the Peace maker and it looks really nice, and not any thing like the Mean Street which I still would like to buy off someone (I can't believe no one picked up on that) anyway ( a little subliminal message goin out there) but I seem to like the one that they have the pic of on the web site better, its very nice. I'd like to get one but then I get an email from Jerry about a new knife and I would like to get one of those also. Decisions, decisions.
 
Originally posted by Eric Isaacson
Jeff,
Glad to see you stop by the Busse Forum. It is sure nice to hear your perspective. I wish you'd join us more often. :D:D

I have to agree with you regarding competition being good. However, it is too bad no one competes with Busse where it really matters and that's in the performance.
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Appreciate it Eric. Actually i didn't know Busse even had a forum until all of this started. Your last statement is debateable as far as I'm concerned because performance has many variables... but we'll save that one for another thread :D
 
Originally posted by JeffRandall

Your last statement is debateable as far as I'm concerned because performance has many variables...
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Sadly, Jeff it isn't debatable. Personal preference is debatable, performance isn't.

Here are some numbers Jerry posted previously about Live Tests they've performed at real live shows. What other performance tests would you like to see.

"Over 2,700 pieces of one inch hemp rope cut and the BASIC #9 still easily sliced through paper at the same section of blade where the rope cuts were made. This was done at the Blade Show in Atlanta with plenty of witnesses and photographic proof. Over 3,200 pieces of one inch hemp rope and then the same knife was put in a vice and bent well beyond 70 degrees without breaking. This was at a show in Nashville. At a show near Cleveland we chopped through 20 2x4's and still shaved with the same section of the blade. We have done more than 30 shows with performance demonstrations"
 
No sadly it is very much debateable. So what you are saying is a BM would perform just as well thin slicing vegetables as professional chef's knife? Or is it just "personal preference that chefs use what they do instead of a Busse? Like I said this is very much debateable because performance does have many variables. Sorry amigo, but a Busse or ANY other knife is not the best performer at ALL chores that knives are used for. If you believe that then you're fooling yourself. Case closed...next taker?
 
Swede, let's keep this about the knives, facts, and opinions.

These knives have a look to them that is rather "Busse-esque", there is no denying that. From what I can see, there are a lot of coincidental aspects of this line, eg. style, wording, logo, and others.

The proof of the pudding however, is still in the tasting.

Public tests of randomly selected production knives can show a lot.

There will always be Ford lovers, there will always be Chevy lovers.
 
chevy for me bud!;)

and YES, I agree, lets stick to the subject matter.

Jeff, are you going to have a chance to use some of these knives? (or have you already??)....would be interesting to get some 'field testing' reviews.

Hows that for healthy discussion!:D
 
Ford for me:D
And if Jeff does get to test Ferhmans knives, I would also like to see him test a swamp rat blade also.
Jeff has a world of knowledge about useing a blade for survival,
Plus not only is a good guy,he is one of the most honest people I have met on the forums.
 
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