Something is wrong with my school

I drew up a flyer last night and his girlfriend and I are going to make copies of it today and put them up.

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Ok, today I approached the principal about the situation and she informed me that she met with Dave's mom. She also said that Dave was coming in to meet with her, and I requested that she send me down to join in on the party.

Dave, myself, his girlfriend, and some kid who I don't know who kept defending the principal's actions and suggesting ideas like "Well, instead of punishing, let's find out what their problems are with you and talk it out."
3/4 of us sat there and drove her nearly insane by questioning the discretion and actions's she's taken until we reached a compromise that Dave would come to school for a few days at the beginning of the week and if anything happens (even glares) there will be action taken. I told the principal that this should not be a test for whether or not Dave can stay, but if the kids involved can, and she told me her hands were tied and she couldn't expell them :rolleyes:

I guess we'll have to see what happens Monday.

(By the way, the only real assurance Dave has that the kid threatening him won't assault him is that he wants to join the Marines and he won't be able to if he breaks parole. )
 
"....won't assault him is that he wants to join the Marines...."
No. He'll wait till he gets to Abu Ghraib or take it out on the next poor schmuck who crosses him. Is this ape being protected cuz he is a star athlete? Crap like this echoes for years. Two of the meeklings who got picked on at my HS I met years later. Didn't recognize either one.
Sez I, "Hey! You're Bobbie ___! How've you been?"
Sez he, "Name's Robert...."
The other guy seemed to have made friends with the guv of CA.
My daughter's school has a Zero Tolerance for bullys and BS like this. There is a pretty balanced mix of ethnicities who seem to blend well giving me some hope that our kids will eventually overcome. Bullying however never seems to go out of style. There is always someone who needs to puff their feathers at the expense of others. Being targeted can be intimidating. (duh.) Stand your ground. Allow others to see where (and how) you stand, know what is happening and judge it for themselves. I love it when someone stands up for the underdog and suddenly realizes there are 5 more people standing with them.
Be careful. Be cool.
 
That is so stupid! Real crimes, like assault and battery get 3 day suspensions, while at my school, a kid was suspended for 10 days because he had a miniature fantasy anime sword, essentially a letter opener.

I think getting in trouble for having a fantasy knife is silly if he doesn't do anything bad with it, but even with the rule in place they could have given him a warning, but no, 10 days suspension, mabye because of a zero tolerance policy, which, by the way, I agree is a bad idea.

This is just another example of placing the blame on the object, not the individual.
 
Get an X-Ray, get an opinion of the force needed to cause this damage. Get a Lawyer (I know, boo boo hiss hiss, but this is a legit use for one)


Cause as much trouble as you can legally with the kid and his parents, hit them where it hurts ($, Liberty). I bet this kid kicks puppies and burns cats. I agree with J, he was just encouraged when he heard he wasnt going to get smacked back.

MA is the land of the Liberal, if you can't get some result for assault there, I dont think you would get it anywhere.
 
Luckily, the X-ray results came in yesterday and it is not a fracture. I'll have to ask him what he's doing about legal action, though.
 
Yeah, zero tolerance does blow. I've had one little problem at my school, too.

I'm a freshman (should be a soph) at a nice small public school. One morning I was in a Spanish 1 class. Theres a punkass senior in the class, and it turns out that his hot girlfriend is the aid. He either thought I was or saw me lookin at his girl, and got a little pissed about it. I thought he wasn't serious, because alls he did was call me an f*cking bitch all class, but the next day he told his tough-guy sophmore friend about it. The guy came up and slapped me in the neck, but I ignored it. Then the next day the senior elbowed me as I walked into class, but it wasn't that serious. Another day I walked into class early as the senior was messin around with one of my friends. Something about "dont call me by my first name, bitch...". I stood there, and he kind of pushed me in the chest. Once again, nothing that serious. But as he walked out of the room, my "friend" called him a bitch. The senior, btw his name is Pierce, came in and my "friend" pointed to me and said "he did it". Pierce came over and pushed me, then said he was gonna get his two friends to "talk to" us... The whole thing wasnt that serious, the senior just had to bully some underclassmen. I'm bigger than him, he's tall but a skinny little bastard. Turns out he's a pussy, wanted his friends to deal with me (for what I did?). It's all good now, his friend got arrested on drug charges or simething, so if he wants to fight me theres just gonna be him to deal with.

But, if I did fight him for some reason it'd be in self defense, but I'd get suspension. How does that help the bullying problem???
 
NeedleRemorse said:
3 day vacation, he'll be back on Monday :mad: The principal claimed it was all she could legally do.
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Unfortunately, it probably IS all she can do.

It makes me long for the old days when each school was kinda like its own little island and the principal, teachers, etc., could create their own set of rules and consider each situation as it occured. But this is a public school, right? If so, there are strict county, state and federal codes and regulations your principal must abide by or she could lose her job. I'm betting she wishes there were more she could do, too. Nowadays, educators hands are tied and there is only so much they can do because of existing regulations.

I think the best route is to treat this as an assault and contact the police while simultaneously taking it to the local or state school board to see what can be done on their end.

Good luck. You're a good kid and I hope your friend is doing better now. (And I also hope the jerks who assaulted him will pay a steep price, one way or the other.)
 
Peeps said:
there are strict county, state and federal codes and regulations your principal must abide by or she could lose her job. I'm betting she wishes there were more she could do

I think the best route is to treat this as an assault and contact the police while simultaneously taking it to the local or state school board to see what can be done on their end.
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There is more that she could do. She could treat this as an assault and contact the police while simultaneously taking it to the local or state school board.

She's the one with the connections. She knows the regulations and the terminology.
 
Never went to school in america, so schools ALOT different here and so are the people...alot less "i'm gonna kill you" attitude with the so called idiots who think they're on top. I've always been a fighter and i'll go out swinging, but while the guy has a principal of being a "pacifist" why stand there and have the sh!t beaten out of you, possibly injured severrly? I personally would have put his face through a wall...I frankly dont care if the law considers it assault, but I wouldnt stand by and take a beating, nor would I stand by and do nothing if it happened to a friend. I'd give them an asswhooping of their own!!!

no wonder situations like the columbine shooting happened if this sh!t goes down regularly (after like 10 years of school wouldnt that much grinding down on someone screw them up mentally a bit?)...Bring down the hammer on your school, intensify whatever your doing with this and look into the school systems policy and procedures (all schools have em) then use that to your advantage. If you wont fight with your fists, fight with your mind...

Good luck. :)
 
Dan,
I don't know how it works in MA, but when I was a kid in California there was a rule that schools got a certain amount of money for every day that a kid attended class. In other words, if a lot of kids stayed away from school for a few days, it would cost $$$ to their school.
Just something to think about.
 
Hey needleremorse.

Dave is lucky to have a friend like you! Great job
I for one hate bullies, but it's the people who turn their heads when something happens that really tick me off!

I had a similar experience last year in my (belgian) school. Some dipshits in my class just couldn't leave my chinese friend alone :barf:
Things got worse and worse throughout the year. Until at one point i was about to really hurt one of those guys really bad...my friends stopped me :grumpy:
Now....those dipshits are away from my school and so is my chinese friend :( . Anyways, now I'm actually thankfull to my friends that they stopped me.... maybe I would have done some terrible things, who knows?

I'm not saying u shouldn't defend yourselves! Just think about how far you will go first....
Hopefully you will find a way out of this,

Davy
 
Yeah, zero tolerance does blow. I've had one little problem at my school, too.

I'm a freshman (should be a soph) at a nice small public school. One morning I was in a Spanish 1 class. Theres a punkass senior in the class, and it turns out that his hot girlfriend is the aid. He either thought I was or saw me lookin at his girl, and got a little pissed about it. I thought he wasn't serious, because alls he did was call me an f*cking bitch all class, but the next day he told his tough-guy sophmore friend about it. The guy came up and slapped me in the neck, but I ignored it. Then the next day the senior elbowed me as I walked into class, but it wasn't that serious. Another day I walked into class early as the senior was messin around with one of my friends. Something about "dont call me by my first name, bitch...". I stood there, and he kind of pushed me in the chest. Once again, nothing that serious. But as he walked out of the room, my "friend" called him a bitch. The senior, btw his name is Pierce, came in and my "friend" pointed to me and said "he did it". Pierce came over and pushed me, then said he was gonna get his two friends to "talk to" us... The whole thing wasnt that serious, the senior just had to bully some underclassmen. I'm bigger than him, he's tall but a skinny little bastard. Turns out he's a pussy, wanted his friends to deal with me (for what I did?). It's all good now, his friend got arrested on drug charges or simething, so if he wants to fight me theres just gonna be him to deal with.

But, if I did fight him for some reason it'd be in self defense, but I'd get suspension. How does that help the bullying problem???
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I had a somewhat similar thing happen last year. I was walking out of the cafeteria, when a junior said "You lookin' at my girl?". I thought he was joking- surely nobody could be this much of a macho ass- so I gave him a condescending "Uh-huh!". He then said "You think you can have her?", and to clear the seriousness in the air I said "I don't know- you got any roofies?". The next week the kid came up to me at lunch and stood there for easily 15 minutes while me, Dave, and another friend of mine were just staring at him and finding him amusing. He threatened to "F*** me up", shoot me, etc, but I could tell by the way he stood with his arms spread out like a human trying to look bigger to a bear that he was harmless and was trying to instill fear, unfortunately I'm 5'11" and he's about 5'2", and I failed to take him seriously.He still gives me long glares, but if he ever tried to fight me, he'd regret it, because Dave might be a pacifist, but I'm not.

but while the guy has a principal of being a "pacifist" why stand there and have the sh!t beaten out of you, possibly injured severrly? I personally would have put his face through a wall...I frankly dont care if the law considers it assault, but I wouldnt stand by and take a beating, nor would I stand by and do nothing if it happened to a friend. I'd give them an asswhooping of their own!!!
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Here are basically the two reasons he didn't fight:
1) He's a pacifist, and he's a very principled person, and hes' not the macho type.
2) Even if he was a fighter, the kid who started the fight is stronger than he is, and his best friend (the one who later threatened him) was there and is a kid that a load of people in my school fear. So he really wouldn't have had a chance, he's not athletic or muscular, so it could have been a lot worse than one punch if he fought back.
 
I must be missing something here. If the police were called the day this happened, they would have arrested the bully. They still would now as well, given the evidence of the injuries, witnesses, etc. This is completely separate from any kind of lawsuit or other civil course of action. Why hasn't this happened yet?
 
koj11 said:
I must be missing something here. If the police were called the day this happened, they would have arrested the bully. They still would now as well, given the evidence of the injuries, witnesses, etc. This is completely separate from any kind of lawsuit or other civil course of action. Why hasn't this happened yet?
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good question koj11! if it had been my kid..there would be so much hell goin on..and koj11 point leads us to ponder ..If Dave was my kid I as his parent would have contacted the nutjobs parents that evening. My kid was just harrassed at school and I was on the phone in a new york minute with the parents. If I was Daves parents I would be at a minimum demanding that the parents of Mr. Manson pay the medical expenses accrued from the beating he took.
 
Here's an update:

Dave met with the principal yesterday along with the kid who hit him. The kid seemed really apologetic (Dave's very skeptical and has a good BS detector, so I guess if he thought it was genuine it might be) and today he came up to Dave in the hall and apologized again. Not sure what's going on police-wise, and I think the kid who threatened him is suspended until Thursday. He's probably staying in school, so that's a plus. I still think there was too much leniency, but everything seems to have died down.
 
Sorry guys,don't see it the way you all do!Punk is a punk,you let him get away with it & hear all the BS & he does it again when there are NO people around.Tell you what ,just keep on letting these bullies get away with it & DON'T anybody talk of cleaning their clock,GASP! I mean that's violence,we must go thru the PROPER channels,THEN WHAT.......
jIM
 
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