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I've met Mescalito a number of times. A low, murky psychedelic high spent rambling through the underbrush.

actually, Mescaline is to the Psychedelics what Mescal and Tequilla are to the Booze families.


munk
 
hollowdweller said:
In addition a majority of violent crime is committed by people with Borderline Intellingence(ie IQ's 70's range) and lower. If we could prevent stupid people from breeding we could cut the crime rate ;)
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I'm at risk to commit crime. :(
 
btw Josh, I've noticed you're mighty quick to supply links and data about this stuff...too Quick! Methinks.



munk
 
Hey Josh- it said the San Pedro grows mostly in the Andes- is there any here in the US?


I remember the tip to drink cactus juice if lost and out of water in the desert. Imagine the surprise of the careless sipper...
edit- I also noticed the claim mescaline can cure alcoholism. My Mother worked at Patton State hosp in CA when they had those trials and others. LSD did not cure alcoholism, I doubt very much peyote could either.
look at it like this- among my friends and I, we can't wait until they develope a drug to cure drinking. Our first thought is, "Now I can drink all I want."
You see the problem.

munk
 
I'm not too sure on that, munk. Hollowdweller might know. A few years back, one of the local cafes had a potted cactus that looked suspiciously like a San Pedro. I haven't been there in years though, so I don't know if it's still there.
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Josh- there's a lot of cactus that looks like San Pedro in the desert. I even recall housing tracts where people had yards full of long stalked cacti suspiciously like those.


munk
 
You used to be able to order San Pedro from magazines. So far as I know it is legal to own. From what I have read some of it is as high concentration as peyote, some relatively weak. I think there was some kind of harassment of San Pedro sellers a while ago so cuttings are not widely available. I have a 6" specimen a friend gave me a couple years ago. Too small to eat and I doubt I would anyway. I like the plant and wouldn't want to kill it. Plus while legal to own it is illegal to eat it.

I have never taken mescaline, although in college there were big pink and blue tabs that were supposedly mescaline. This was late 70's early 80's. I suspect they were just really good acid.

As I have aged I have tried to avoid doing LSD. Since it is a derivative of ergot fungus and seldom pure that means a lot of other ergot alkaloids besides LSD could be in it. If one had some undiagnosed coronary artery disease and the acid had some of these other alkyloids in it, many of which are potent vasoconstrictors it could put you in a bad state. Better for old people to stick to organic stuff like mushrooms. I have read that when cattle accidentally grazed ergot infected rye that they have actually lost their tails to gangrene due to the negative impact that the ergot alkyloids have on circulation. :confused:
 
According to Joel Fort, once a leading Physician and researcher in Ca on illegal drugs, almost all LSD was relatively pure. We're talking over 99%. But you are correct in that a bad batch will contain substances with speed like qualities, I believe they are called lysurgems, and would constrict blood vessels.

However, my days are long over with such things. I had a friend once who used to say of mushrooms- "this isn't a drug, this is breakfast." They are very gentle compared to the others. I wouldn't know the correct mushroom if it fell in my lap. A mistake can kill you. There are other mushrooms that contain psyillicybin (sic) but also poisen.


As for the cacti, I can just imagine saying- "Say, it looks like something has been taking bites out of your cactus in the front yard."


munk
 
A friend who was an EMT told me the local indians sliced it and gave out the slices to others to put in their mouths. They apparenty sucked and chewed it but did not swallow the piece, rather spitting it out. He said that swallowing it allowed the stomach to break down enough to overdose on. And that overconsumption could cause death. Don't know enough about it.

Wovoka reportedly used it to the point that he must have become tolerant as he supposedly used it to the point he was unconcious for several days.

Interesting turn to this thread. Going to leave it open and running and post on Pen's moderatorship process elsewhere.
 
Most mushrooms are commercially grown. P Cubensis is fairly distinctive and even when dry you can see the tell tale blue stain where the psylocybin reacts with air. Yea, milder in small doses, but I lost my body once doing them and was in a field of blue. I couldn't forumlate a thought. Just Be Here Now Consciousness. Suddenly remembered Castenadas suggestion to start the internal dialogue and managed to pull my thoughts together enough to say to myself "I have ABSOLUTELY got to get back to my BODY!" Suddenly I could see again and feel that both my friends were holding me up by my arms. This was at a concert 20 years ago. Of course what tune did the Dead wind into as soon as I came back but "The Wheel" " Gotta get back to where you belong.. little bit harder just a little bit more.. LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN YOU'VE GONE BEFORE" "how did they know" I laughed to myself. Another reason why I MISS JERRY! :(
 
I bet it would surprise you to know I used to see the Dead in Winterland. I, too, love the 'Wheel' but do not miss Jerry. His time had come. I can't say he'd added much to his legacy in the last few years. I was annoyed he'd remained a heroin addict. Even Lou Reed got straight. I still like Neil Young even though he's a silly environmentalist.

Hollow, the poisoness mushrooms which also contain the drug turn blue too. So I'm not picking up any blue ringed mushrooms.


I never lost my body. I did eat a quarter oz of hash once- I lost some mind. Sheesh. We did so much stuff. You took all four panes and more back in those days. What was that club from the Pranksters? The over 2500 microgram club? Yeppers. And I landed in Santa Cruz Ca, capital of exotics. There used to be a substance made from methamphetamine and I think mescaline- (but it might have been acid.) What was that stuff called? It's not made anymore.

Today we have new designer drugs. Some of them seem frightening. At least there was no organic damage associated with the hallucinogens. Has that changed? Did they ever find any? 15 years ago someone prominant had a theory about stretched synapses, but that always seemed a stretch to me.

I read once when George Harrison came to San Francisco he'd looked forward to the enlightening experience of his peer group. Instead he found teenage wasteland. I remember the wasteland very well.

My favorite Dead Album- Skull and Roses




munk
 
I was through with Carlos Castenda when I was 19 or 20. We read all that stuff. Herman Hesse. Lao Tse, Huxley, Keorack (sic)...the staples. To my surprise, my lawyer and friend has been talking of old Carlos recently. Why, I do not know. Perhaps there is a resurgence of interest. The old Fraud. It reminds me of what I told the psychologist and IQ examiner when I was 8; "I'm just faking this. I'm not smart. I'm just acting smart." She laughed, "If you can fake it you have it." Maybe Carlos is like that.

I still remember looking for those damn lines of power. Carlos- if you're out there somewhere- you bamboozled us. But it was fun reading.


munk
 
But you are correct in that a bad batch will contain substances with speed like qualities, I believe they are called lysurgems, and would constrict blood vessels.
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Is that what that was? I remember the trails...
 
Munk,

I saw some great Dead shows up into the 90's. However as the 90's went on I thought that they just weren't trying. Especially Jerry. I went from seeing about 12 shows a year down to 2. Still wanted to give them a chance. Interesting though that I saw several Jerry Garcia Band shows in that time period that were fantastic. Especially 89 at Merriweather Post Pavillion in Columbia MD, a great place to see a show. Not harsh like the Cap Center in Baltimore or RFK.

Finally got to I would just go and see them at Deer Creek near Indianapolis every summer. Funny the last show I saw there after many kind of lackluster ones was a fantastic show. Made me want to start touring again. But that was 95 and Jerry died like a month later. We got cheated out of the last night. The first night a thousand ticketless asses broke in. The police tear gassed them. Coming out of the show that night looked like a war zone. Then the next show they did in Chicago that balcony collapsed and at least one person died at a campground. I think Jerry must have known it was getting too big. It was funny. At my last show they played Dire Wolf you know "I beg of you don't murder me" then as the crashers broke down the fence they did Dylans Desolation Row "The riot squad they're getting nervous they need somewhere to go".

Later on I read that somebody had phoned in a death threat to Jerry that night. And he played "dont murder me" that was Jerry.

But now there's lots of festivals of the Jam band genre the Dead spawned, Phish, MOE> Donna The Buffalo, The Recipe, Ekoostik Hookah all these great bands inspired by the Dead. Jerry was kind of like Bill Monroe. The father of Jam. ;)

Probably my favorite Dead albums were Mars Hotel and Wake of the Flood, the electric ones. Best album was the acoustic Reckoning. Best show I ever saw was probably Pittsburg where the Neville Brothers sat in. Probably my all time favorite bootleg was 5-2-70

Now instead of going to crowded Dead shows full of cops I like to go to Jam band fests out in the country where you can camp right uphill from the stage. ;)
 
a majority of violent crime is committed by people with Borderline Intellingence(ie IQ's 70's range) and lower.
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Should perhaps read...A majority of those we catch committing violent crimes
are people with Borderline Intellingence(ie IQ's 70's range) and lower. The smarter ones are seldom caught for committing violent crimes. It is also hard to get a felony criminal conviction and the smarter ones, especially if they have strong financial resources, are often acquited.

n2s
 
You make a good point, n2. I also do not believe the average iq is as low as 70


Hollow- I saw the Dead in the Hollywood bowl in 75 or so when they had the largest sound system ever put together for a concert- speakers 3 stories high. I was 17
I saw them about twice a year for several years afterwards. I saw Jerry once at the Keystone with lots of Hells Angels in attendance. But I mostly saw them at Winterland, which had the great advantage of being their home venue.

My hard core buddies of many years ago preferred the Live Dead album with the signature Dark Star cut. I always went for Skull and Roses.

I used to own the 32 track LP Aoxamoxoa- or however it is spelled. Mountains of the Moon was my personal signature for many years. It still can bring a few tears to my eyes.

The Dead's behavior at Altamont was always a disapointment to me. Listen to the pathetic Garcia talking to a interviewer out in the Parkinglot after they left- "it was a bad scene, man" It was his friendship with the damn Angels that helped get them there!

I was actually sorry to see Donna leave. At first I thought her presence with the Dead was treason.

Reckoning and For the Faithful were very good, but for me, nothing equaled their earlier years.

munk
 
hollowdweller said:
...Better for old people to stick to organic stuff like mushrooms...
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In our circles, P.Cubensis was considered a sacrament. Gathering it was a sacred ritual that could only take place at special times. In North Central Florida, these special times came two days after a winter rain which was followed by a sunny day. One of our special hunting grounds was a large pasture on the banks of the Suwannee River. The cattle were grazing elsewhere, but they had left deposits all over the field, and it was out of these little mounds that the mushrooms grew.

Once you saw them, there was no mistaking them for any other variety. The little tan tip on the very top of the cap, the distinctive odor, and the way they grew out of the cow pie were the clues. Most were about two or three inches in diameter, but some would get as big as six inches across. Before you picked one, the unwritten law was that you tap it a couple of time to release the spores so there would be a continuing crop.

If there happened to be a full moon on harvest day, that was the best time of all. Not only would it be easier to avoid detection because, after all, we were trespassing on private land, not to mention that the harvesting of that variety of mushroom was illegal, but the mushrooms would glow in the moonlight and the field would be dotted with what looked like giant fireflies roosting on the ground.

A successful harvest would yield several buckets full of shrooms, about half of which would be dried, strung along the ceiling of our VW bus to be distributed to friends along our travels. Some would be eaten fresh with spring onions, and some would be used in cooking. A big pot of mushrooms and freshly gathered oysters would make a special stew to share with our friends and neighbors who would come by to celebrate the harvest and partake of the sacrament.

Everyone always left with an easy, peaceful, feeling and a personal spiritual knowledge that we were all truly one with the Universe.
 
not2sharp said:
Should perhaps read...A majority of those we catch committing violent crimes
are people with Borderline Intellingence(ie IQ's 70's range) and lower. The smarter ones are seldom caught for committing violent crimes. It is also hard to get a felony criminal conviction and the smarter ones, especially if they have strong financial resources, are often acquited.

n2s
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Those are both good theories.
 
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